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      02-24-2009, 08:23 PM   #23
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And for 1/15th its price I can get a ZR1 that will blow the doors off the Veyron. So what exactly is your point? If you're coming at it from a value perspective, you're way off. The Veyron sells itself as a supercar and charges the most premium of price tags, yet gets smoked by cars costing mere fractions of its price.
i never mentioned value, i was simply disproving your 'handles like shit' comment.
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I'm not saying it's a POS in the traditional sense, but for the price you'd pay for one, all you're getting is speed and exclusivity. There are a crapload of cars that perform better, look better, sound better, are more fun... all while being considerably cheaper. The Veyron's one strong point, it's astonishing speed, is lost to everyone except a few wealthy Germans who travel the autobahn and a few sheiks who don't give a shit about breaking laws because they run the place. What good is paying $1.5 mil for a car that you'll barely get to wring out to 100, muchless 260 or whatever it is.
And yet this applies to every exotic out there. You can buy a GTR instead of a Gallardo. You can buy an SL65 instead of an SLR. You can buy a ZR1 instead of a 599. That's a moot point.

Those cars all have ridiculous performance, yet they're still handicapped by the same low limits. Why does the Veyron get singled-out here?

It also apparently handles very well, with weight being the one limiting factor. It was insanely fast on the Ring (thanks JH), and on the Top Gear test track (I was expecting it to be slow), only second to the Caterham.

There's the point of diminishing returns, and it starts around $75k in the automotive world.
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And for 1/15th its price I can get a ZR1 that will blow the doors off the Veyron. So what exactly is your point? If you're coming at it from a value perspective, you're way off. The Veyron sells itself as a supercar and charges the most premium of price tags, yet gets smoked by cars costing mere fractions of its price.
The point of a supercar: bragging rights, flashiness, make up for lack of a dick, horrible value.

And a ZR1 will only "blow its doors off" on a tight road course. Any power track and it'll dominate the ZR1.

Obviously straightline stats are a joke to compare here too.
2.5s vs 3.4s to 60 (useless stat imo)
10.5 @ 140 vs 11.3 @ 130

Big difference.
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And for 1/15th its price I can get a ZR1 that will blow the doors off the Veyron. So what exactly is your point? If you're coming at it from a value perspective, you're way off. The Veyron sells itself as a supercar and charges the most premium of price tags, yet gets smoked by cars costing mere fractions of its price.
have fun with your ZR1. ill buy an Ariel Atom for $70k and shit on you in every category of performance. there will always be a faster, cheaper car. however, that doesnt make the more expensive ones which perform 'less' undeserving of praise and recognition.
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The Veyron, simply put, is a treasure of engineering. For what the car has to offer, it really differentiates itself from the competition in many ways.

It has over 1000 hp running through a dual clutch transmission that an infant could operate for starters...
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If I really owned one, I wonder how long it would take for me to be bored with its straight line speed. I know it is immensely fast, but straight line speed is about its only claim to fame.
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If I really owned one, I wonder how long it would take for me to be bored with its straight line speed. I know it is immensely fast, but straight line speed is about its only claim to fame.
As soon as you got used to the speed you would probably get careless and wreck it. That's actually what I seriously think would happen.
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a veyron is only a car with 3 superchargers and a couple turbos and may be even more.

slap those elements into a car and you got yourself a veyron. (=
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Says the guido who can't afford an M3
Tee hee....im not gonna to acknowledge that....troll
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261mph, just enough to one-up the SSC's 257mph.

Yep...once someone actually does it and gets it clocked.

Of course, the SSC guys have already said they can go faster, so it probably wouldn't take them very long to put together another run to drum up some press.
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thats crazy....thats 350hp more.... thats almost as powerful as M3.... Jesus.....with that said that thing will go over 420...some 440 I guess
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I want to meet the person who has done 261mph on real roads and lived to tell about it. I love the Supercars and basically anything that goes fast, but there are times when I have felt that my bone stock 335 is a tad extreme
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And just think....


In the year 2020, they will have a Bugatti that can achieve 300mph!!!
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Guys do you not realise that this guy Markoni is only trying to pull your chain (and doing a bloody good job of it).

It's simply absurd to think that the Veyron isn't a technical marvel. No car (I MEAN NO CAR) has had so much engineering development put into it, the comment from JC that each cost VW over 5 million euros each is not a joke. Look at the gearbox as an example, not only does it handle over 1000Nm of torque but it's a DRY clutch system, to put that into perspective, the only other dry clutch DCT currently on sale is the 7sp DSG that's also built by VW and it can only handle a quarter of the torque the Veyron's can.

Next is the heat the engine produces, maybe some others might confirm this figure if right but I think an engine that produces 1000hp is actually producing 3000kw of heat. Now that is an incredible figure to try and get rid of from an engine bay, ten or twelve radiations are positioned around the car to get rid of this heat from everything from the engine, gearbox, diff, etc and even then this wasn't enough, they had to forgo the hood and leave the engine open to the elements.

No car with even remotely it's capabilities can either ride as well, driving as well or contain it's potency into a package that can be driven so close to the limits of it's power by less than skilled drivers. No think about this last one, the Veyron can actually put all 1000hp and 1000Nm to the surface of the road even in the wet without killing you within the first 50 yards.

For Fu@ksake, even Captain Slow drive the bloody thing at it's maximum speed and still held a commentary to the camera on the dash without breaking into a sweat.

As I said at the start, the guy is pulling your chain.
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Guys do you not realise that this guy Markoni is only trying to pull your chain (and doing a bloody good job of it).

It's simply absurd to think that the Veyron isn't a technical marvel. No car (I MEAN NO CAR) has had so much engineering development put into it, the comment from JC that each cost VW over 5 million euros each is not a joke. Look at the gearbox as an example, not only does it handle over 1000Nm of torque but it's a DRY clutch system, to put that into perspective, the only other dry clutch DCT currently on sale is the 7sp DSG that's also built by VW and it can only handle a quarter of the torque the Veyron's can.

Next is the heat the engine produces, maybe some others might confirm this figure if right but I think an engine that produces 1000hp is actually producing 3000kw of heat. Now that is an incredible figure to try and get rid of from an engine bay, ten or twelve radiations are positioned around the car to get rid of this heat from everything from the engine, gearbox, diff, etc and even then this wasn't enough, they had to forgo the hood and leave the engine open to the elements.

No car with even remotely it's capabilities can either ride as well, driving as well or contain it's potency into a package that can be driven so close to the limits of it's power by less than skilled drivers. No think about this last one, the Veyron can actually put all 1000hp and 1000Nm to the surface of the road even in the wet without killing you within the first 50 yards.

For Fu@ksake, even Captain Slow drive the bloody thing at it's maximum speed and still held a commentary to the camera on the dash without breaking into a sweat.

As I said at the start, the guy is pulling your chain.
Haha, thank you for furthering my points. I don't think he was joking, but I did see that we came to an agreement in the end.

Bottom line: There's nothing like the Veyron on the market.
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Jeremy Clarkson is going to love it and goes "POOOWWWWWEEEEERRRR~" all day long....
You may be thinking of Cpt. Slow in the Zonda F Roadster
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Guys do you not realise that this guy Markoni is only trying to pull your chain (and doing a bloody good job of it).

It's simply absurd to think that the Veyron isn't a technical marvel. No car (I MEAN NO CAR) has had so much engineering development put into it, the comment from JC that each cost VW over 5 million euros each is not a joke. Look at the gearbox as an example, not only does it handle over 1000Nm of torque but it's a DRY clutch system, to put that into perspective, the only other dry clutch DCT currently on sale is the 7sp DSG that's also built by VW and it can only handle a quarter of the torque the Veyron's can.

Next is the heat the engine produces, maybe some others might confirm this figure if right but I think an engine that produces 1000hp is actually producing 3000kw of heat. Now that is an incredible figure to try and get rid of from an engine bay, ten or twelve radiations are positioned around the car to get rid of this heat from everything from the engine, gearbox, diff, etc and even then this wasn't enough, they had to forgo the hood and leave the engine open to the elements.

No car with even remotely it's capabilities can either ride as well, driving as well or contain it's potency into a package that can be driven so close to the limits of it's power by less than skilled drivers. No think about this last one, the Veyron can actually put all 1000hp and 1000Nm to the surface of the road even in the wet without killing you within the first 50 yards.

For Fu@ksake, even Captain Slow drive the bloody thing at it's maximum speed and still held a commentary to the camera on the dash without breaking into a sweat.

As I said at the start, the guy is pulling your chain.
I think Markoni is just a re-incarnation of the troll in the F/A-18 crash thread
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Jeremy Clarkson is going to love it and goes "POOOWWWWWEEEEERRRR~" all day long....
too late, he's already driven the Veyron, same with "Hamster" and May. May was actually able to drive it and reach it's full HP potential. Those lucky bastards!!!

If I had the kind of money to purchase a Veyron without worrying, I'd definately get one.
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I have sat and driven in my friend's Veyron. This car is comfortable, quiet, composed, and very capable. The ride when set to normal is like a Phantom, but once you put it to pace and drop the car, it becomes a very different beast. It all comes down to choice and preference. The guy who can purchase a Veyron can also drop the coin on a Zonda.

Driving the Veyron is like cruising in a Wallypower Yacht. It's about traveling in style and comfort for this car.
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Makes you look like a boy racer.
That's not even applicable to a car that can talk the talk and walk the walk.
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That's not even applicable to a car that can talk the talk and walk the walk.
I respect its abilities immensely but the naked carbon fiber is too vulgar for this blue blooded aristocrat.
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