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      02-25-2009, 12:42 AM   #23
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I test-drove it and then test-drove the '09 iDrive, and there's just no comparison. Since there were significantly better deals to be had on 08s, I really wanted to like the '08, and wanted to believe the people on forums like this one who were saying that the '08 was fine for non-edummies and non-housewives, but I did not find that to be true.

We sat down in the '08 and I asked the CA to show me what it takes to do what I consider to be a pretty routine task for a nav system: find the closest Best Buy and lock in a route to it. She eventually gave up. I took a crack at it, and after a bunch of pain, I think I was close, but we got kicked out of the car for another CA who needed it for a test drive. It was so ridiculously bad, at every step of the way - finding the right menu, finding the right place to enter the name of the store, finding the 'space' character, etc. It's far easier on my four-year-old piece-of-crap Garmin. It was also no problem at all in the '09. I don't really care about having the new shortcut buttons, but the new GUI makes a huge, huge difference.
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      02-26-2009, 08:17 AM   #24
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When did mid-forties become "older guys" ... sigh. LOL.
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And when did "older" become synonymous with technically challenged?
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      02-26-2009, 10:38 AM   #25
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I'm 32 and have been using computers and their various interfaces since I could barely walk - I was the kid programming the VCR and the Timex Sinclair when I was 7 or 8, and I wouldn't be where I am in my career if I didn't have an ease with clunky and/or downright awful interfaces.

The above isn't to brag, but to counterpoint the "electronic dummies and housewives" stuff before I say this: the '08 iDrive's interface is garbage. I test-drove it and then test-drove the '09 iDrive, and there's just no comparison. Since there were significantly better deals to be had on 08s, I really wanted to like the '08, and wanted to believe the people on forums like this one who were saying that the '08 was fine for non-edummies and non-housewives, but I did not find that to be true.

We sat down in the '08 and I asked the CA to show me what it takes to do what I consider to be a pretty routine task for a nav system: find the closest Best Buy and lock in a route to it. She eventually gave up. I took a crack at it, and after a bunch of pain, I think I was close, but we got kicked out of the car for another CA who needed it for a test drive. It was so ridiculously bad, at every step of the way - finding the right menu, finding the right place to enter the name of the store, finding the 'space' character, etc. It's far easier on my four-year-old piece-of-crap Garmin. It was also no problem at all in the '09. I don't really care about having the new shortcut buttons, but the new GUI makes a huge, huge difference.
I'm a professional web and mobile software designer and usability researcher, and I have to agree. I have an '08 and find the menu navigation system a total failure from a design perspective. It has nothing to do with code, as some people mentioned above, and everything to do with poor human interface design. Almost every common task is unnecessarily complicated, particularly in the nav area.

I think the decision to add hardkeys (dedicated buttons that always take you to the same place) in '09 is smart... it removes at least 2 clicks from the very common task of switching between top-level menus (e.g. from nav > entertainment). And adding a true "back" button, not just a menu button that sometimes functions like a back button, is a great move. The back button is the most used button in the web browser because it consistently delivers people back to where they were... a very important principle for users learning to use a new system. None of this has anything to do with being a technophile or technophobe, just application of proven design principles.
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      02-26-2009, 10:59 AM   #26
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I was also amazed at how the old idrive worked in my 550i. It can tell when there were no more options to choose on the screen and no longer spun in that direction. I totally agree that it was impressive. But the new one has a radio and cd button!
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      02-26-2009, 11:04 AM   #27
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it removes at least 2 clicks from the very common task of switching between top-level menus (e.g. from nav > entertainment).
Not that I disagree with what you are saying but on your statement above, you can move between top-level menus simply by holding the iDrive controler to the right / left / up / down for 2 secs and it will take you to the corresponding top-level menu (e.g. holding 2 secs to the right will take you to the Navi menu from anywhere you are). So you are not 2 clicks away from top-level menus.
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      02-26-2009, 04:41 PM   #28
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I think the OP was talking about the vibrating feedback from the idrive controller and I strongly agree with him. On my 5 series with the older nav the vibration/tactile feedback when scrolling through options is very useful for selecting things without focusing away from watching the road. I totally agree that the 09 nav system is much better I would have been good to add the vibrating feedback from the controller too.
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      02-26-2009, 05:34 PM   #29
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I'm 32 and have been using computers and their various interfaces since I could barely walk - I was the kid programming the VCR and the Timex Sinclair when I was 7 or 8, and I wouldn't be where I am in my career if I didn't have an ease with clunky and/or downright awful interfaces.

The above isn't to brag, but to counterpoint the "electronic dummies and housewives" stuff before I say this: the '08 iDrive's interface is garbage. I test-drove it and then test-drove the '09 iDrive, and there's just no comparison. Since there were significantly better deals to be had on 08s, I really wanted to like the '08, and wanted to believe the people on forums like this one who were saying that the '08 was fine for non-edummies and non-housewives, but I did not find that to be true.

We sat down in the '08 and I asked the CA to show me what it takes to do what I consider to be a pretty routine task for a nav system: find the closest Best Buy and lock in a route to it. She eventually gave up. I took a crack at it, and after a bunch of pain, I think I was close, but we got kicked out of the car for another CA who needed it for a test drive. It was so ridiculously bad, at every step of the way - finding the right menu, finding the right place to enter the name of the store, finding the 'space' character, etc. It's far easier on my four-year-old piece-of-crap Garmin. It was also no problem at all in the '09. I don't really care about having the new shortcut buttons, but the new GUI makes a huge, huge difference.

Yes, I'd like to add that the nav system is junk. Didn't know they updated it in the '09s. In fact, BMW nav systems are lacking across the board.
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      02-27-2009, 04:35 AM   #30
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Whoever thinks the old iDrive is better is in complete denial. The new one is simply way better and easier to use.
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      02-27-2009, 04:41 AM   #31
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I know this has been discussed in the past but maybe there is a more updated picture now: Is there a way to update the 08 iDrive to the 09 one? I know it is easy to install a 09 controller to the 08 iDrive, but what about replacing the entire system (i.e. also the software & screen)?
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      02-27-2009, 07:03 AM   #32
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I know this has been discussed in the past but maybe there is a more updated picture now: Is there a way to update the 08 iDrive to the 09 one? I know it is easy to install a 09 controller to the 08 iDrive, but what about replacing the entire system (i.e. also the software & screen)?
For sure it will be possible to update to 09 iDrive, but i'll give you some
price informations:

CIC HDD Unit $2500
High Resolution Monitor $1500
Controller $200
Center Console $350
+ perhaps new wiring harness $$$
+ installation + reprogramming $$$
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      02-27-2009, 07:19 AM   #33
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For sure it will be possible to update to 09 iDrive, but i'll give you some
price informations:

CIC HDD Unit $2500
High Resolution Monitor $1500
Controller $200
Center Console $350
+ perhaps new wiring harness $$$
+ installation + reprogramming $$$
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Wow... $2,500 for a HDD in year 2009? Is this a NASA HDD?
Also, $1,500 for the Hi res monitor?! I mean my flat screen TV at home costs less!

Anyway, I got the point...
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      02-27-2009, 07:32 AM   #34
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it's the whole CIC (Car Infotainment Computer) incl. HDD, entertainment system (radio, cd-/dvd-player...), navigation system, voice entry system, etc. etc.

but you're right, i think - prices are fully overpriced in comparison to
conventional multimedia parts ..
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      02-27-2009, 09:11 AM   #35
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45 is positively geriatric and absolutely tech challenged. I'm 12.
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