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      02-23-2009, 03:51 PM   #1
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Talking M3 Cock Block

FIRST: This thread is NOT about M3 vs. 335.

I was driving my 335xi and stopped at a red light. In front of me was a lane merge. My guess was it was a 50-60 meters before the 2 lanes merged into 1. A nice new M3 pulled up beside me and I look over and he was definitely a cock, Jeremy Clarkson's definition.

It was go time. I had the open lane and he had to merge.

At the green light, we launch and the short story was, he had to brake and tuck in behind me because he didn't clear my 335xi enough to come into my lane and cut me off.

I was able to Cock Block the M3.

That was the preamble but this thread is not about M3 vs. 335.

My question to the math guys.....

What cars can an M3 Cock Block?
  • You are in the M3
  • Some car is trying to out accelerate you at the lights and cut you off
  • Assuming a distance of 60 meters (the first car that reaches 60 meters)
  • Assuming a safe passing distance of 2 meters (i.e. the back of the passing car to the front of your M3)
  • If a car does not beat your M3 by 2 meters at the end of 60 meters, he cannot pass you and you Cock Block him
  • If a car does beat your M3 by more than 2 meters at the end of 60 meters, he passes you and you fail in your attempt to Cock Block
So.... Can a M3 Coupe Cock Block the following cars?
  • Nissan GTR
  • M5 / M6
  • 911 C2S
  • 911 Turbo
  • RS4
  • Z06
  • ZR1
At the end of the day, I know it is jeuvenille but when someone takes your lane away from you.... I feel shame. So what can an M3 stop?
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But he was ahead of you however just not enough to get in front?

0-60 the 335 and M3 are pretty matched depending on the driver.

I don't think the M3 will be able to beat most of those cars you mentioned 0-60 The RS4 and M5/M6 will be slower off the line and the 911 will be pretty close.. However on the Track I have been able to overtake the Corvettes in the road course however Mini coopers where lapping the vettes in the road course.

Interesting thread. Did you just need to let everyone know on the M3 forum your car is faster? Isn't there a non M thread where they would pat you on the back? The M3 is not a drag car by any means. Yes it's powerful however its not built to drag.

My M3 will take your lane...
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      02-23-2009, 04:35 PM   #3
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But he was ahead of you however just not enough to get in front?
Yes....that is the point of the thread....cars are so well matched 0-60 that a car needs at least a 2 meter margin of victory at 60 meters to pass safely


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Interesting thread. Did you just need to let everyone know on the M3 forum your car is faster? Isn't there a non M thread where they would pat you on the back? The M3 is not a drag car by any means. Yes it's powerful however its not built to drag.

My M3 will take your lane...

Reread the bold.... I would like to know what cars the M3 can successful Cock Block.
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hmm... wish I could get those 5 minutes back.
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im the furthest thing from a drag racer/racer period, however, I understand this question, because sometimes you don't want to let some jerk slide in front of you from a light...

These are my opinions given you are in an E92 and not E93 like me! Keep in mind the GTR, 911 Turbo, RS4...if the driver really wants to abuse his car will dump the clutch and get an AWD jump off the line, of those 3 you would easily reel in the RS4 further down the road, but probably not in time for him to slip in front of you.

This sort of thing on the street is all about who gets the jump off the line, reaction time to the lights, good traction and getting a bit of a roll when both lights are red (dont inch right up to the line, stay back 4-5ft so you get a running start)...AWD is a huge advantage here, so no surprise your xi blocked an m3

* Nissan GTR - NO
* M5 / M6 - YES
* 911 C2S - YES
* 911 Turbo - NO
* RS4 - NO (assuming he dumps clutch)
* Z06 - NO (unless the driver can't launch)
* ZR1 - NO
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With only 50-60 meters, reaction time, etc..most quick cars (even SUV---Lightning, Jeep SRT8) would be VERY close...

With that said I would take the SUV's and hope I am close enough to you...to run you into the curb

Congrats you beat a car to a merge who probably didnt want to cause an accident...
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im the furthest thing from a drag racer/racer period, however, I understand this question, because sometimes you don't want to let some jerk slide in front of you from a light...

These are my opinions given you are in an E92 and not E93 like me! Keep in mind the GTR, 911 Turbo, RS4...if the driver really wants to abuse his car will dump the clutch and get an AWD jump off the line, of those 3 you would easily reel in the RS4 further down the road, but probably not in time for him to slip in front of you.

This sort of thing on the street is all about who gets the jump off the line, reaction time to the lights, good traction and getting a bit of a roll when both lights are red (dont inch right up to the line, stay back 4-5ft so you get a running start)...AWD is a huge advantage here, so no surprise your xi blocked an m3

* Nissan GTR - NO
* M5 / M6 - YES
* 911 C2S - YES
* 911 Turbo - NO
* RS4 - NO (assuming he dumps clutch)
* Z06 - NO (unless the driver can't launch)
* ZR1 - NO

Ha, as a fellow Torontoian, you know the consequences of one of these guys cutting you off..... Your paint eats a nice sand and salt shower....

BTW, M34JLP, just a theoretical discussion and if ye who is not guilty of having a little fun on the road with your M3, you may cast the first stone.
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Got to agree with kmax on this one

T Bone - sure you were looking at the other driver and and didnt catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror! j/k! Gotta love Clarkson!
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Ha, as a fellow Torontoian, you know the consequences of one of these guys cutting you off..... Your paint eats a nice sand and salt shower....

BTW, M34JLP, just a theoretical discussion and if ye who is not guilty of having a little fun on the road with your M3, you may cast the first stone.
Not saying I dont like to have fun, but racing to a merge lane is pretty stupid especially for 50 meters it basically has more to do with who has the balls to stay in it longer as it would be so close regardless of what car you are trying to beat...
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So you deliberately blocked another car for no reason and he's the cock?

Sorry, but you have a severe case of tiny wang.

I bet you could barely control your urge to go home and brag about it on the computer.
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uhh... do you even know the correct meaning of a cock-block?

in case you fail to understand my question.. your idea of a cock-block is incorrect.
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So you deliberately blocked another car for no reason and he's the cock?

Sorry, but you have a severe case of tiny wang.

I bet you could barely control your urge to go home and brag about it on the computer.

Just to be clear.... I have the right of way.

Second look up M3 Clarkson Top Gear Cock


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uhh... do you even know the correct meaning of a cock-block?

in case you fail to understand my question.. your idea of a cock-block is incorrect.

Look up M3 Clarkson Top Gear Cock
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TB, I see the point of the exercise. Simulation is pretty well suited to answer the question. But here is the problem. The results will be very dependent on the exact distance number chosen. 60 meters is awfully arbitrary.
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60m is a very short distance, if your fast off the line can probably cock block whatever you want....
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TB, I see the point of the exercise. Simulation is pretty well suited to answer the question. But here is the problem. The results will be very dependent on the exact distance number chosen. 60 meters is awfully arbitrary.

Hey Swamp, thanks for answering the call. I forgot my distance / acceleration equations (and don't want to resort to wiki)

If you have any measurements of a typical North American intersection + 10 meter buffer zone..... Can you use that?

I am actually very curious about this.

Assume of course same driver weight, traction (better for the RS4 if you can model it) and reaction time.

BTW, this exercise should yield a "better" benchmark than 0-60 mph
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Any high powered car with AWD will have the advantage.
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Any high powered car with AWD will have the advantage.
It's hard enough launching the M3 perfectly every time when you are on the road yourself without the added pressure of racing someone away from the lights. Factor in the fact that the car beside you is something you really should beat and the pressure can be too much for some, that's when the 'Cock'o'meter' comes in.

I would go even further than that, I would say any AWD car capable of reaching 60mph in under 5.5s will give an M3 trouble in this situation and this will multiply if surface conditions are either salted or damp.
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So.... Can a M3 Coupe Cock Block the following cars?
  • Nissan GTR
  • M5 / M6
  • 911 C2S
  • 911 Turbo
  • RS4
  • Z06
  • ZR1
At the end of the day, I know it is jeuvenille but when someone takes your lane away from you.... I feel shame. So what can an M3 stop?
None of the above. In fact, one could make a reasonable case that the GTR, both 911s and the RS4 could in fact nip in front at 60 meters.

It's all about the launch.
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TB, you are really talking launching (due to the short distance) in the winter, in Canada of all the places, AWD vs RWD. (I bet the M3 had PS2s on. The M3 drivers I saw in Boston--around Newbury Street of course--the past few months who looked like "cocks" were indeed on PS2s in -5C weather, which cracked me up pretty good!) So, I am not surprised. As to your question, if I had to guess, I'd agree with Bruce. But Swamp is probably setting up the simulation in CarTest as we speak, so we might have some numbers to argue about soon.
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None of the above. In fact, one could make a reasonable case that the GTR, both 911s and the RS4 could in fact nip in front at 60 meters.

It's all about the launch.

Sure. Swamp asked for the variance on the 60 meters. Since all intersections are different (i.e. 2 lane divided highway vs. single lange undivided).... Perhaps Swamp can run 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 meters.

The car can only successfully pass if it beats the other car by 2 meters at the end of the distance.



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It's hard enough launching the M3 perfectly every time when you are on the road yourself without the added pressure of racing someone away from the lights. Factor in the fact that the car beside you is something you really should beat and the pressure can be too much for some, that's when the 'Cock'o'meter' comes in.

I would go even further than that, I would say any AWD car capable of reaching 60mph in under 5.5s will give an M3 trouble in this situation and this will multiply if surface conditions are either salted or damp.
The only issue that I will raise is bogging with AWD. I have certainly done it with my 335xi.... So while AWD is an inherent advantage, the skill for both drivers needs to be there.
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