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      03-29-2010, 09:41 AM   #67
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PicassoM-My numbers show:

$47,400 ED E90 invoice
$2,640 DCT
$1,090 19 wheels
$365 Alarm
$955 Moonroof
$365 iPod
$500 Paint
$865 Leather
$910 CW package
$1,820 Premium Package
$2,960 Tech Package
$825 Destination
$1,300 Gas Guzzler
$1,000 Dealer Profit
$62,995 Total

Not familiar with the CW package?? is this EDC? If so isn't it part of ZTP or is it extra?

Taxes: with no trade, you will pay sales tax in your state at the current rate for the full purchase price at the time of registration. In KS you have 30 days to register the car and pay all fees. So you finalize the deal, go to Germany, get back and register the car/pay tax.

I'm not sure on trade-ins and have not read any posts of people doing this...here is my situation. In KS there is a sales tax offset for a trade-ins. By trading my car, I will get a reduction in my sales tax: $30k trade at 7% sales tax (calc: $62,995-$30,000 (trade)=$32995* 7%=$2309 total tax). If I buy the M3 outright without a trade then here is the tax (calc: $62,995* 7%=$4409) a savings of $2100 in taxes if I trade my car. My problem is the coordination of the trade with a dealer far away. For me to really make this work I would need negotiate a trade with my local dealer that wants ED MSRP and $6k under retail for my trade. So $2k in taxes is not worth taking a $8-9k hit on the M3+trade deal....you do the math. Even if I drop it off at Carmax for the same trade in value then I am still better off paying the full tax and doing the ED with an out of town dealer with a reasonable profit. Of course I will sell it outright and try to re-coup some in a private sale.

You also need to consider the timing of the deal. With an ED you complete the transaction and go take delivery of your car. Are you able to turn in your trade, go to Germany, and then wait 8 weeks without your car? I don't think they let you keep your trade vehicle during that time. You may also find some issues/options with re-delivery. I am in Kansas but working with a dealer in Atlanta. My car will be re-delivered to the PC and I'll drive it back. I could have worked with a local dealer and had it shipped here no charge but they wanted ED MSRP thereby taking all the savings as dealer profit. By taking re-delivery at the PC I can work with any dealer for the best service at a reasonable fee. I figure worst case is I can have it shipped to KC cheaper. Better scenario is a PC re-delivery with a one day driving school. For me I just could not find a local, reasonable dealer that would do an ED+$1k deal, give me a reasonable trade amount, allow the tax offset, take delivery of the new car and just out of good faith let me drive my trade-in for a few extra months....gotta give somewhere.

Good Luck.

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      03-29-2010, 10:08 AM   #68
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^^ I abbreviated the Cold Weather package as CW. Since i'm in NJ, they do credit you a tax break on trade-ins. Currently I have an 05 M3 with 43k on the clock. So a dealer credit would only be about 20k vs. getting 25-28k selling it on my own. So it would be wise to sell it privately depending on what the dealer gave me. I'm lucky enough to have a corporate car through June, hopefully longer (fingers crossed) so that would help a ton with not having a car for 2 months. Sales tax in NJ is 7% so $4,200.

Final comes to:

$47,400 ED invoice
$2,640 DCT
$1,090 19 wheels
$365 Alarm
$955 Moonroof
$365 iPod
$500 Paint
$865 Leather
$910 CW Package
$1,820 Premium Package
$2,960 Tech Package
$1,000 Dealer Profit
$60,870 Sub Total

$4,261 NJ Tax
$825 Destination
$1,300 Gas Guzzler
$67,256 Total

Might have to wait a bit longer and save up. I was hoping to get in around 60k, unfortunately I want it loaded

Thanks for your insights.
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      03-29-2010, 10:13 AM   #69
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^^ I abbreviated the Cold Weather package as CW. Since i'm in NJ, they do credit you a tax break on trade-ins. Currently I have an 05 M3 with 43k on the clock. So a dealer credit would only be about 20k vs. getting 25-28k selling it on my own. So it would be wise to sell it privately depending on what the dealer gave me. I'm lucky enough to have a corporate car through June, hopefully longer (fingers crossed) so that would help a ton with not having a car for 2 months. Sales tax in NJ is 7% so $4,200.

Final comes to:

$47,400 ED invoice
$2,640 DCT
$1,090 19 wheels
$365 Alarm
$955 Moonroof
$365 iPod
$500 Paint
$865 Leather
$910 CW Package
$1,820 Premium Package
$2,960 Tech Package
$1,000 Dealer Profit
$60,870 Sub Total

$4,261 NJ Tax
$825 Destination
$1,300 Gas Guzzler
$67,256 Total

Might have to wait a bit longer and save up. I was hoping to get in around 60k, unfortunately I want it loaded

Thanks for your insights.
Yea, but getting every $ out of that E46 will help... I wouldn't trade it and you are close if you get $28k out of it. Keep an eye on the 2011 production cycle...not sure when they cut off orders but I think this model is a keeper and you hate to wait too long. You should also check out the ED forum on the Fest...it will help you buy time and kick your savings in to high gear.
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      03-29-2010, 10:31 AM   #70
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^^ I abbreviated the Cold Weather package as CW. Since i'm in NJ, they do credit you a tax break on trade-ins. Currently I have an 05 M3 with 43k on the clock. So a dealer credit would only be about 20k vs. getting 25-28k selling it on my own. So it would be wise to sell it privately depending on what the dealer gave me. I'm lucky enough to have a corporate car through June, hopefully longer (fingers crossed) so that would help a ton with not having a car for 2 months. Sales tax in NJ is 7% so $4,200.

Final comes to:

$47,400 ED invoice
$2,640 DCT
$1,090 19 wheels
$365 Alarm
$955 Moonroof
$365 iPod
$500 Paint
$865 Leather
$910 CW Package
$1,820 Premium Package
$2,960 Tech Package
$1,000 Dealer Profit
$60,870 Sub Total

$4,261 NJ Tax
$825 Destination
$1,300 Gas Guzzler
$67,256 Total

Might have to wait a bit longer and save up. I was hoping to get in around 60k, unfortunately I want it loaded

Thanks for your insights.
You can remove $865 Leather option, since it's already included with the Premium (ZPP) package.
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      03-29-2010, 11:25 AM   #71
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My friend just ordered her 2010 E93 via EuroDelivery, just looked at the PDF invoice. Something is off on the OP's ED invoice prices of $61,845 for ED Invoice.

She got hers for the following

E93 Wholesale Price: $57,365
ZCW: $685
Paint: $500
ZPP: $1230
ZTP $2960
Alarm: $365
Park Control: $345
Satellite: $320
iPod: $365
Sound: $1730
Net Total: $65865
Destination Charge: $875
Gas Tax: $1700
Suggested Total: $68,440

Price Paid: $69,440

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      03-29-2010, 07:11 PM   #72
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E90 M3: ED MSRP: $51,010; ED Wholesale: $46,930
E92 M3: ED MSRP: $53,800; ED Wholesale: $49,495
E93 M3: ED MSRP: $61,845; ED Wholesale: $56,895


Wow that is very attractive pricing. A few questions:

1.) IIRC, the lease on my 335xi is not up till the latter part of Fall 2010. Is it possible that BMW will be offering more incentives during the end of the year if I buy my car through ED (maybe under invoice)? From my prior experience BMW is more motivated to move cars towards the end of the year (not sure about ED).
2.) Do BMW special offers (ie. the $2500 cash back on 2010's or loyalty cash back) apply?
3.) Do I have to physically be there to pick up the car?
4.) Are all ED cars made to order or do they have cars sitting around?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
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      03-29-2010, 08:49 PM   #73
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Wow that is very attractive pricing. A few questions:

1.) IIRC, the lease on my 335xi is not up till the latter part of Fall 2010. Is it possible that BMW will be offering more incentives during the end of the year if I buy my car through ED (maybe under invoice)? From my prior experience BMW is more motivated to move cars towards the end of the year (not sure about ED).

All incentives offered usually applies to ED cars. I have not heard of anyone picking a ED car under invoice though..... Why would dealer order a car to loose money

2.) Do BMW special offers (ie. the $2500 cash back on 2010's or loyalty cash back) apply?

As long as they are not for the existing inventory which ED cars clearly are not part of

3.) Do I have to physically be there to pick up the car?

Yes, that is why it is called European Delivery!

4.) Are all ED cars made to order or do they have cars sitting around?

They are all made to order. ED division does not have cars sitting around.


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      03-30-2010, 08:36 AM   #74
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All incentives offered usually applies to ED cars. I have not heard of anyone picking a ED car under invoice though..... Why would dealer order a car to loose money
if you see my post above, I have the PDF'd BMW invoice to show she got the E93 for $3-4k below the stated ED invoice.

57k vs. 61k

I would post it if i could figure out how to black out her personal info.
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if you see my post above, I have the PDF'd BMW invoice to show she got the E93 for $3-4k below the stated ED invoice.

57k vs. 61k

I would post it if i could figure out how to black out her personal info.
2011 ED invoice for E93 is $57,365. I assume you are quoting ED MSRP at $61K with a discount to ED Invoice of 57K...which is a typical deal.
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2011 ED invoice for E93 is $57,365. I assume you are quoting ED MSRP at $61K with a discount to ED Invoice of 57K...which is a typical deal.
ahh ok, sorry, so many numbers...
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She got hers for the following

E93 Wholesale Price: $57,365
ZCW: $685
Paint: $500
ZPP: $1230
ZTP $2960
Alarm: $365
Park Control: $345
Satellite: $320
iPod: $365
Sound: $1730
Net Total: $65865
Destination Charge: $875
Gas Tax: $1700
Suggested Total: $68,440

Price Paid: $69,440
Nice deal! That's about what I paid for mine, and I don't have ZTP, premium sound, PDC and the alarm. Had I know ED pricing was coming to the M3 back when I purchased in late 2008, I would likely have held off and done that instead. Not just for the better price, but for the opportunity to drive the M3 around Europe. It was a total hoot in the 335i, but would be that much better in an M3.
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Voltigeur: Who did you deal with at Austin BMW? I live here in Ausin. I tried to use PMs, but I guess I don't have enough posts yet. Also, I'm a bit confused on the pricing too, is it $46k base, or $51k plus all the add ons.

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Yes. Got the slot. My CA - excellent btw, BMW of Austin - communicates via the BMW NA system to BMW AG's ED handling office re my requested date / time. They then confirmed the time - and we're booked for 14:10 hrs precisely, the language emphasized that delivery was a formal appointment and not to be late.

Although I have joked in another post about the specificity of the time etc I think it's only reasonable as they are delivering 150+ cars / day and I know I would not like to be kept waiting due to another customer's lack of punctuality. I'm told if you really are late then they bump the delivery to next day.

My CA advised me that I needed to get organized w/ sufficient lead time: he advised 4 mths but perhaps not quite as pressing now that auto sales are so drastically off. Still, if you desire to obtain a particular date / time then it behooves one to plan ahead.

Does this answer your question?
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can i finance or lease euro delivery?

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You can do both through BMW Financial Services. They even take care of your 2nd lease payment. If you finance, your first payment due date is pushed back sixty days. Take this into consideration when you are comparing rates with other banks. Also, some lenders don't like the fact that the collateral for the loan (your BMW) will be outside the continent.
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Voltigeur: Who did you deal with at Austin BMW? I live here in Ausin. I tried to use PMs, but I guess I don't have enough posts yet. Also, I'm a bit confused on the pricing too, is it $46k base, or $51k plus all the add ons.
$47,400 (ED E90 invoice) plus options at invoice plus dealer fee (500-1000)
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Is everyone seeing a lease MF of .0028?
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anyone know if any other BMW USA Special offers apply to ED? Such as Financing % Rates or $ credit?
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Looks like the Spring Drive money and finance offer is for 2010s only.
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Here is some paper work I got from a local dealer. I didn't know the US invoice went up. I thought it was $50,140. Here it says $50,970. There is a MACO and some service/training fee which I believe to be complete BS on here. I would ask that to be removed.

Weird with the same configuration another dealer gave me a quote of $1000 more, asking for a breakdown from them so I will find out what the hell the differences are.

SELLING PRICE: $61550
NJ SALES TAX: $ 4308.50
LUXURY TAX: $ 246.20
EST. MV FEES: $ 405.00 (4 YRS REG. & PLATES)
MV. DOC FEE: $ 369.00

TOTAL : $66,878.70


Hardest thing is figuring out the price with all the other fees outside of base price + options.
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I hope they are adding GGT after sales tax.
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I hope they are adding GGT after sales tax.
This dealer wasn't which I thought was BS! Will find out if the other dealer is putting it on after the fact.
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Quick Question - I have heard that European Delivery M3s don't come out of dealer's allocation. Can that be confirmed?
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