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      09-04-2008, 05:13 PM   #23
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kinda funny...why domestic? i worked for a company that made parts for hondas in America.....not every single part of a car is made in a certain country...now looks like you need a business lesson


oh and i would never drive an SUV because i dont need to iv never required the use of a vehicle that large....while yet most people drive them just because they can

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      09-04-2008, 05:14 PM   #24
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Show me a politician that says what he thinks and I'll believe in Santa and baby jebus again too. And McCain has changed his position on so many issues since 2000 that it's amazing he knows which way is up. Funny thing is, the McCain of 2000 was a lot more appealing to many people than today's version.
if so i havent seen it on cnn or msnbc (the most frequent attackers of McCain)
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      09-04-2008, 05:18 PM   #25
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Here's a "short" list.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=593495
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      09-04-2008, 05:26 PM   #26
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well out of the list there are only about 3-4 of those sites that i would even look at for RELIABLE information
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      09-04-2008, 05:29 PM   #27
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I don't care about any side except the truth. I just have a hard time without seeing the citations or credible reports on the issue. If he and Sen McCain had an agreement that would seem to put pressure on Sen Obama. The Republicans would have a point of contentention to attack the Democrats with.
there are no truths in the world if you haven't figured it out by now...its more of which distortion of the story did you get...Politics is like a refined form of high school drama just with better words and in most cases political correctness
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      09-04-2008, 05:42 PM   #28
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After 44 years I conclude there is truth, regardless of how one perceives or understands it.
Truth = gravity is a force.
truth = politicians may side step the truth but it can still be sought by those desiring it.
Facts; circumstances; perceptions of events may change, the truth is constant.

yes but how do you get the truth unless you see it for yourself?.....videos can be distorted....pictures and be distorted....words can be changed (and one of the easiest to change)... where is the truth unless you look at it first hand? most people take anything they seen in the news or on the internet to be fact and thats where people are wrong
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      09-04-2008, 05:43 PM   #29
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well out of the list there are only about 3-4 of those sites that i would even look at for RELIABLE information
It's up to you if you want to look at the sources or not (at least there are some sources--most of the allegations posted up here have none). If you don't, then try verifying the alleged flip-flops that matter most to you independently. Point is, both candidates (and all people) change their minds from time to time. Whether it is for political expediency or to genuinely adapt to changed circumstances, and whether it's more likely to demonstrate intelligent re-consideration or plain ole hypocrisy is what's important to me.
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      09-04-2008, 05:52 PM   #30
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It's up to you if you want to look at the sources or not (at least there are some sources--most of the allegations posted up here have none). If you don't, then try verifying the alleged flip-flops that matter most to you independently. Point is, both candidates (and all people) change their minds from time to time. Whether it is for political expediency or to genuinely adapt to changed circumstances, and whether it's more likely to demonstrate intelligent re-consideration or plain ole hypocrisy is what's important to me.
most of the "flip/flops" were based foreign stuff which changes faster than you can even imagine... so yes those can change almost on a daily basis... and alot of them left out any sort of evidence or reference on who they were told by
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      09-04-2008, 05:57 PM   #31
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So you at least now say there is truth in the world. A bit different from your previous absolute statement. So again, please show me the agreement between the two candidates. I am open for proof as I have not found it but I am not against it.
ok so iv said it before and ill say it again I WAS NOT THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THAT UP! IT WAS STEELERBEEMER. i just stated that i saw it on the news one day (cnn as a matter of fact) and i dont tivo cnn

go ahead dig me into someone elses discussion with you... if i would have started it i would finish it but seeing as how do i dont care about financial agreement for campaign funds.. that subject would have never surfaced
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      09-04-2008, 06:15 PM   #32
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You stumbled here not the other way around. Close the door and gracefully bow out.
and how did i stumble i wasnt who you were discussing with....but if you would like ill shove this shit right down your throat
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      09-04-2008, 06:22 PM   #33
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You stumbled here not the other way around. Close the door and gracefully bow out.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t...ma_on_fin.html

eat it motherf^@#er

Obama wrote today that if he is the Democratic nominee he "will aggressively pursue" a policy with his opponent for a "publicly funded general election in 2008 with real spending limits," but made clear that he thinks a new agreement is needed.

thats states that an agreement was made and he wants to do publicly funded unless he makes XXX amount of money
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      09-04-2008, 06:25 PM   #34
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The choice is yours. Unless you are scared of course.
here another report say what it was and that he backed out

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25259863/

my proof is him or his campaign speaking to msnbc
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      09-04-2008, 06:29 PM   #35
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and wow msnbc had the document checked yes
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      09-04-2008, 06:38 PM   #36
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Maybe you are missing what I asked for. Where the two Presidential candidates stated together they would agree to this end.
Please read my earlier post. I believe his statement calls for questioning. But again, was there an agreement between the campaigns? Do you understand this time?
ok the article says that the obama campaign said there were going to back out of an agreement....so with them saying they were backing out of the agreement and McCain saying there was one... then the obama campaign just opened themselves up
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Here is a quote from Sen McCain advisor as of Jun 18th:
“There were no negotiations,’’ Mr. Potter said in his conference call, saying that the two men (Potter and Bauer) had spoken about the issue only once, in a 40-minute meeting earlier this month that he said had been called to work out the details of an unrelated joint appearance that they were planning. “There were no attempted negotiations.’’
Again where is the agreement between the two parties?
i believe potter and bauer were the 2 men thats why they are in ( ) and not obama and McCain
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      09-04-2008, 06:42 PM   #38
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verbal slips are a ripple effect and the obama campaign slipped up
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I put in the parentheses in as these were the two men representing the two campaigns. Here is likely why Sen Obama flipped or lied or changed his mind. Sorry, I thought you knew who they (potter and Bauer) were. The RNC has amassed a nice reserve that can still be used, the DNC did not fare so well.

"Obama's clear financial advantage over McCain is offset in part by the resources of the Republican National Committee, which has far more money in the bank than the Democratic National Committee. Both national parties can spend money on behalf of the presidential candidates."

well normally in writing when you write about someone then put parentheses around names thats means those 2 are preforming the action.....

thats is why McCain is thinking about getting away from public financing as well but the obama campaign is second guessing themselves now...obama is in a world of hurt....the best news article iv seen out since palin's speech was "Obama ad slams McCain on abortion rights"
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next new amazing article....
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...ildest-dreams/

last news report when obama came back from iraq said he stated the surge did not work
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I must accept full responsiblity for the English error, I hated my teachers. But with that said, the current facts do not support an agreement between the two campaigns, do you agree?
My former party has long out raised the Dems and I could understand why an agreement was not reached. Sen Obama was concerned that he could not tap the funding sources of the Democrat party as well as he could raise money himself. He effectively levelled the playing field. How much of that "flip flop" stuff resonates with voters, I have no idea. At one time Sen MCain considered opting out too if I recall correctly.
but you have to hold the obama campaign accountable for stating that there was an agreement.....actually he is considering opting out now but only because the obama campaign stated that they were first
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Having directed the attack on the crazies at Najaf Jan 2007 I was at a time questioning the success of the surge. History has a way of proving short term non-strategic thinkers wrong.
he didnt visit iraq in jan...he visited within the last two months or so....i was in iraq from oct - feb and i didnt get to see shit except for people trying to steal anything they could get there hands on
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Who was his agreement with? The press? The public? Sen McCain? Once again we run around the maypole on drugs. Did the two parties agree to anything?
to the press and the public it doest matter... the only thing that matters is on the topic of using public funding he back out of an agreement....article topic "public funing".....obama campaign "obama back out" and in the process stated there was some kind of agreement (obviously between obama and someone, on the issue of public funding)....the end....the only hardcore proof your gonna get is if you sneak into McCains campaign office and shuffle through his papers..... but the obama campaign left the media all the information they needed to make there story.... say it was a slip of the lips of someone on the obama campaign then it would be there fault for the misinformation
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I know when he visited. I was telling my experience from being there after several rotations. Things looked bleak and the tribal engagement was just beginning to show promise. Where he got his assessment from I have no idea. There are still troops over there who think the initial invasion was not needed, hence a surge and 4000 plus lives would likely have not been required. Maybe he talked to those folks, IDK. Do you?
I am not gonna touch the topic of what people think
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