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      06-01-2006, 02:18 AM   #45
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actually the only way to smoke the 350z in a beemer would be in a m5, m6 or e46m3. you could also try the jap rocket 320 hp Mitsu evo9- 5 sec flat century sprint car. but the 350z would be clever not to provoke or race with u if u were driving the cars in my ' kick ass ' list. the new 335i would be a candidate to match the 350z too when it arrives.
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Bmw got the better ride quanlity and better conering,it all depends on the driver's skill. I think 330i can beat 350z,but not easy. Horse power is not everything for cars.
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topsnelheid 250 km/h
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boring x slag 95,5 x 81,4 mm
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max. vermogen 221 kW (300 pk)
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max. koppel 353 Nm
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Displacement 281.0 cu in/4606cc 213.5 cu in/ 3498cc
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Redline 6250 rpm 6600 rpm
Power (Sae Net) 300 hp @ 5750 rpm 287 hp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (Sae Net) 320 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm 274 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
Specific output 65.2 hp/liter 82.0 hp/liter
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Length x Width x Height 188.0 x 73.9 x 55.7 in 169.4 x 71.5 x 52.3 in
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Curb weight 3690 lb 3517 lb
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Legroom, f/r 42.7 / 30.3 in 42.6 in
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0-40 3.0 3.2
0-50 4.1 4.4
0-60 5.4 5.8
0-70 7.2 7.8
0-80 9.2 9.8
0-90 11.4 12.4
0-100 13.3 15.3
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.8 3.0
1/4 mile 13.9 sec @ 100.8 mph 14.2 sec @ 98.2 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 126 ft 119 ft
600-ft slalom 63.4 mph avg 66.2 mph avg
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      06-01-2006, 07:25 AM   #52
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This is what coulda happened to that 350z as he was taking those corners at 100mph...
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And he has an xi which adds at least a couple hundred pounds to the weight of his car and shaves a few tenths off of a 0-60 time.
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0-60 times are done by professional drivers on closed tracks over and over again, so the average "red light racer" is at least .5 to a full second under that "magazine" time.......
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0-60 times are done by professional drivers on closed tracks over and over again, so the average "red light racer" is at least .5 to a full second under that "magazine" time.......
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nissan 350z
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274 lb-ft @ 4,800 rpm
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300 hp @ 6,400 rpm
260 lb-ft @ 4,800 rpm

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255@6600 hp
220@2750 lb-ft
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anyone mention the fact that the OP has not just a 330 but a 330XI. On the website the 330XI is listed to have a weight of 3627lbs and if i remember correctly the X means its an AWD? When you have a AWD you lose some power in the car since the power needs to be transfered to all four wheels. Given to weight and the specs above losing to a 350Z is possible. You should be happy that your car kept up w/ it. Shouldn't have let up on the curve though since you have an AWD car and that's what Bimmers are made to take corners. At least better than most Japanese cars, You could have probably beaten him if you had taken the corner.
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Which one you like best?" The question came from one of the locals in southeast Ohio who'd stopped to check out our quartet of silver and red sports cars. He wasn't the first to ask, and he wouldn't be the last.

We were having a hard time coming up with a definitive answer. It would have helped to pick a clear winner if we'd had an obvious loser. Unfortunately, with the BMW Z4 3.0i, the Honda S2000, the new Nissan 350Z roadster, and the Porsche Boxster, there wasn't one in the bunch. So, over three days of driving, our answers kept changing, as one car and then another nosed briefly into the lead.

It also would have been easier if we'd stuck to one venue: the skidpad, the racetrack, the back roads, or the Interstates. But we'd hit 'em all, and what we found was that all four cars excelled in at least a few areas, that none was best in all, and that differences in personal preference were as strong as differences in the cars' relative merits.
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anyone mention the fact that the OP has not just a 330 but a 330XI. On the website the 330XI is listed to have a weight of 3627lbs and if i remember correctly the X means its an AWD? When you have a AWD you lose some power in the car since the power needs to be transfered to all four wheels. Given to weight and the specs above losing to a 350Z is possible. You should be happy that your car kept up w/ it. Shouldn't have let up on the curve though since you have an AWD car and that's what Bimmers are made to take corners. At least better than most Japanese cars, You could have probably beaten him if you had taken the corner.
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with my performance. I knew that my car should've taken the corners really well, but I didn't want to get too crazy on a major road, and risk a ticket or a life, so I backed down.
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anyone mention the fact that the OP has not just a 330 but a 330XI. On the website the 330XI is listed to have a weight of 3627lbs and if i remember correctly the X means its an AWD? When you have a AWD you lose some power in the car since the power needs to be transfered to all four wheels. Given to weight and the specs above losing to a 350Z is possible. You should be happy that your car kept up w/ it. Shouldn't have let up on the curve though since you have an AWD car and that's what Bimmers are made to take corners. At least better than most Japanese cars, You could have probably beaten him if you had taken the corner.
Cool, im going to go jump in my moms 330xi and take corners at 150mph, because it has AWD, Plus its a BMW, and BMW can defy the laws of physics


The X drive does not loose much through the system. BMW drivetrain is very efficient compaired to other auto makers. Gearing is everything. the 330i has a 3.15 differential, in the Automatic for Example the loss through the transmission is compansated with a lower gear ratio in a 330i Auto or XI auto with a 3.64 rear diff. the 325i has a 3.73 rear in the automatic. and 40 LEss HP. my girl drives a 325 I, and I can tell you. From a Roll 5mph start, she can hang with me on my rear door till about 70-75 mph when the extra 40 HP starts to kick in for me.

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Bmw got the better ride quanlity and better conering,it all depends on the driver's skill. I think 330i can beat 350z,but not easy. Horse power is not everything for cars.
I don't know about better cornering. The 350 feels very planted and many refer to it as a track car.
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287 hp with stick, lol and who is the challenger, Z4 perhaps but 330 no way.

The coupé version is already SA's best-selling sports car by a wide margin and the car has earned so many 'Car of the Year' and other accolades worldwide that Carlos Ghosn might have to build a trophy house just for the Z car.

Not only is it the best roadster around; it also sends a clear signal to those upper-crust carbuilders BMW and Mercedes that they ain't as good as they think they are and that goes for Chrysler too. Building in more and more gadgets and electronic goodies and billing the buyer isn't the way to go anymore – building something as honest and straightforwardly bloody good as the 350Z is.

To those of you out there for whom quality equates with price (or vice versa) well, pardon me, but crap! Here's how it pans out with the competition:

Chrysler Crossfire – R455 000
Audi TT – R465 000
BMW Z4 R470 000
Mercedes SLK 320 – R470 000
Nissan 350Z – R425 000 (R428 000 if you want the only available option, ventilated orange seats)

The car's grip, with 225/45 rubber at the front and 245/45 at the rear, is phenomenal.

There's no automatic option, and for me that puts the 350Z on a pedestal. Just a really good, fast and feel-good six-speed manual – no pretty buttons, paddles or flip-it-side-to-side autoshifters that do what the damn well want and only when they want to.

The 350Z is like steak is to veal – real, growed-up meat you can get your teeth into and get our teeth into it we did on one of the greatest driver's roads in South Africa, the humdinger that runs from Gordon's Bay along the False Bay coast to Betty's Bay and on to Hermanus.

The tar snakes and weaves, new and smooth, to match the bulges of the mountains. No serious gradients, just gently banked bends, short and snappy straights – then more bends and the inviting ocean several hundred feet below just begging you to make a mistake.

The Z is a driving tool, not a fashion statement – though it's still for my money one of the best-looking cars we've got – and its body rigidity is class-leading. Not a quiver, not a tremble, of the "scuttle shake" that still exists on more expensive roadsters despite them also having a reinforced chassis and body.

Under the bonnet is an all-aluminium 3498cc V6 capable of 206kW at 6200rpm and 363Nm of torque at 4800rpm and all of it loves to be used. Power is transmitted to the rear wheels through a carbon-fibre strengthened plastic drive shaft and a limited-slip differential and you can get 320kW and almost 300km/h if you talk to Rob Green in Johannesburg about a supercharger.

That should make your eyes water but we're talking about the standard car and that will zap to the metric ton in 5.9 seconds and howl (yes, those twin drainpipes at the back sing a beautiful song and it boomed back brilliantly as we set the Bridgestone Potenzas to work on the coastal scenic route) on to 250km/h.

The car's grip, with 225/45 rubber at the front and 245/45 at the rear, backstopped by a stability control system and Brembo ventilated discs all round, is phenomenal. If you love cars, and driving them, then the Z and its whole persona just can't be ignored – poseurs, piss off.

Three roof locks

Essentially, the 350Z Roadster has all the key performance features of the 350Z coupé but with a power-operated soft top with a glass rear window and demister – two cars for the price of one, the roof doing the transformation in only 20 seconds.

It's held in place by three locks, one of them requiring manual release; retracted, Nissan says, the Z has the least cabin turbulence of any convertible, thanks in part to a tempered glass wind deflector fitted behind the seats and between the rollover bars.

Nissan also says normal conversation is possible at speed; nice try guys. But the top-end Bose sound system can easily overcome the road and breeze noise – Nissan supplied a CD of Sixties and Seventies classics with the car so we cranked up the volume, pushed down on the gas and created our own symphony of song and exhaust with an overlay of whining rubber.

But the Z isn't all macho muscle and sweaty leather: there's a good dose of hedonism in there too. Power seats (only two, of course, no pretence of being a four-seater here), remote-controlled central locking, powerful air-conditioning (for those rare times when the hood exposes itself), Bose sound system with six-stacker CD, leather seats, lining and covers for the steering-wheel and gearshifter, really simple-to-use cruise control on the right-hand horizontal bar of the tiller, flashing red light that shouts "Change gear!" and power for the windows and external mirrors.

Crash bags, of course, with pre-tensioners and load limited on the seat belts.

The only factory options are those ventilated seats with orange leather and dark net (with orange leather on the gearshifter) in Silver, Gun Grey, Sunset Orange and Black roadsters.

The hood is available in two colours: black for all body colours or blue if you choose Silver, Gun Grey or Blue paint jobs.

A roadster with his pairs but under 911 or 996 coupés, but below s 2000.
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lol. I love how people post up mag racing. Mag racing doesnt mean shit. . (To some extent it is ok.)

For example. They could have tested the 350Z in Maine at 50 Degree weather and got better times because of the conditions.

on the other hand the 330i may have been tested at 110 Degress in Arizona in the middle of the summer and got shitter times because of the heat.

Real world is where it counts. Same Light, Same street. Same Conditons, alt. wind, ground temp, air temp, Ect. Now you can compare the 2.

Dont show me magazine times as it is done by, different people, different drivers, different times of the year, and in different parts of the world.

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...695173920&q=m3
Even so its logical 350 Z against M3 never against 330i.

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0-60 times are done by professional drivers on closed tracks over and over again, so the average "red light racer" is at least .5 to a full second under that "magazine" time.......
a FULL second? I'm not saying you're going to always match the numbers, but how hard is it to launch at 2-3K and shift at redline (or just before depending on power peak)? I mean...how much faster is the "pro" going to shift over me? Not that much, I'll tell you...if any. And in an auto, all that goes out the window as all you have to do is stomp.

The pro will probably be, on average, .1 to .3 seconds faster than the "average red light racer", but no way is it a full second.
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