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      05-31-2006, 08:35 PM   #23
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a 0-60 in the high 5's is certainly not fast for a "sports car"

high 5's aren't fast when you can buy cars that are almost 2 seconds quicker to 60 for not crazy amounts of money. (vette, 911......................)

If a reasonably priced car beats you to 60 by a larger margin than you beat an accord your car is not fast.
Ward I typically agree with a lot of your posts but not this time. First of all this topic has been covered adnauseum so...yawn!!!! Let me just say this; For some reason a LOT of posters on this forum have very unrealistic views about speed and what is considered fast etc. It is as though there is a total lack of knowledge about the industry and general standards. Or perhaps it is naivete. I have been reading about and following the automotive industry for years and in MY view the following ranges are resonably accurate. I apologize in advance if someone disagrees but I assure you I am being pretty darn objective with NO agenda.

0-60mph Ranges
10+ seconds - Lethargic
9 - 10 seconds - Adequate
8 - 8.9 seconds - Peppy
7 - 7.9 seconds - Quick
6 - 6.9 seconds - Fast
5- 5.9 seconds - Very Fast
Less than 5 seconds is EXOTIC territory

I am sure that there will be plenty of debate about this, but anybody who has read automotive magazines over the past twenty years will probably agree with the above save for some minor variations. I suspect most of the debate will come from the younger guys on this site that seem to believe that if a car accelerates slower than a Viper then it is slow.

Ward talked about a 911 and a Vette. Hey Ward these are exotics bud. You could argue that the Vette isn't but by American car standards it is. A 350Z is not an exotic, it is a very fast (see above) car with great looks at a hell of a price point. A great value. I have met young guys that drive Civics with loud exhausts that think their cars accelerate like exotics. They don't. These guys simply have a distorted inaccurate view of reality.

A BMW 330 accelerates in a range considered Fast and the 325 Quick. May I ask what more could be expected from an entry level sports sedan? Stop trying to make these vehicles something they are not, accept them for what they are and just be realistic. I don't expect my quick sports sedan to outrun a very fast Nissan sports car. GEEEEEZ
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      05-31-2006, 08:40 PM   #24
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hey, that was a very thoughtful post and I agree

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Ward I typically agree with a lot of your posts but not this time. First of all this topic has been covered adnauseum so...yawn!!!! Let me just say this; For some reason a LOT of posters on this forum have very unrealistic views about speed and what is considered fast etc. It is as though there is a total lack of knowledge about the industry and general standards. Or perhaps it is naivete. I have been reading about and following the automotive industry for years and in MY view the following ranges are resonably accurate. I apologize in advance if someone disagrees but I assure you I am being pretty darn objective with NO agenda.

0-60mph Ranges
10+ seconds - Lethargic
9 - 10 seconds - Adequate
8 - 8.9 seconds - Peppy
7 - 7.9 seconds - Quick
6 - 6.9 seconds - Fast
5- 5.9 seconds - Very Fast
Less than 5 seconds is EXOTIC territory

I am sure that there will be plenty of debate about this, but anybody who has read automotive magazines over the past twenty years will probably agree with the above save for some minor variations. I suspect most of the debate will come from the younger guys on this site that seem to believe that if a car accelerates slower than a Viper then it is slow.

Ward talked about a 911 and a Vette. Hey Ward these are exotics bud. You could argue that the Vette isn't but by American car standards it is. A 350Z is not an exotic, it is a very fast (see above) car with great looks at a hell of a price point. A great value. I have met young guys that drive Civics with loud exhausts that think their cars accelerate like exotics. They don't. These guys simply have a distorted inaccurate view of reality.

A BMW 330 accelerates in a range considered Fast and the 325 Quick. May I ask what more could be expected from an entry level sports sedan? Stop trying to make these vehicles something they are not, accept them for what they are and just be realistic. I don't expect my quick sports sedan to outrun a very fast Nissan sports car. GEEEEEZ
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0-60mph Ranges
10+ seconds - Lethargic
9 - 10 seconds - Adequate
8 - 8.9 seconds - Peppy
7 - 7.9 seconds - Quick
6 - 6.9 seconds - Fast
5- 5.9 seconds - Very Fast
Less than 5 seconds is EXOTIC territory
So my fast car, kept up with a very fast car.
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as been discussed and pointed out by many posters previously, there are many many factors that affect the real world 0-60 time, driver skill, weather condition, manual or auto?, are you fat or not, was the guy fat or not? was he trying to race you?...etc etc
so I would take those street encounters with a tiny grain of salt, unless it was planned.
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So my fast car, kept up with a very fast car.
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No, dude. I drive a stick. It was neck and neck until the curve, then I let up. Now that I know more about the 350z, I think my 330xi did pretty good.
ok, then being neck and neck with him sounds about acurate. The X drive slows the car down by fractions of a second compared to a 330i in stick. So sounds about right from my experience with running with these cars.


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Doesn't the fact the 350z being a coupe, thus making it lighter, make it seem like the logical choice in winning this one?
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Ward I typically agree with a lot of your posts but not this time. First of all this topic has been covered adnauseum so...yawn!!!! Let me just say this; For some reason a LOT of posters on this forum have very unrealistic views about speed and what is considered fast etc. It is as though there is a total lack of knowledge about the industry and general standards. Or perhaps it is naivete. I have been reading about and following the automotive industry for years and in MY view the following ranges are resonably accurate. I apologize in advance if someone disagrees but I assure you I am being pretty darn objective with NO agenda.

0-60mph Ranges
10+ seconds - Lethargic
9 - 10 seconds - Adequate
8 - 8.9 seconds - Peppy
7 - 7.9 seconds - Quick
6 - 6.9 seconds - Fast
5- 5.9 seconds - Very Fast
Less than 5 seconds is EXOTIC territory

I am sure that there will be plenty of debate about this, but anybody who has read automotive magazines over the past twenty years will probably agree with the above save for some minor variations. I suspect most of the debate will come from the younger guys on this site that seem to believe that if a car accelerates slower than a Viper then it is slow.

Ward talked about a 911 and a Vette. Hey Ward these are exotics bud. You could argue that the Vette isn't but by American car standards it is. A 350Z is not an exotic, it is a very fast (see above) car with great looks at a hell of a price point. A great value. I have met young guys that drive Civics with loud exhausts that think their cars accelerate like exotics. They don't. These guys simply have a distorted inaccurate view of reality.

A BMW 330 accelerates in a range considered Fast and the 325 Quick. May I ask what more could be expected from an entry level sports sedan? Stop trying to make these vehicles something they are not, accept them for what they are and just be realistic. I don't expect my quick sports sedan to outrun a very fast Nissan sports car. GEEEEEZ

I'm pretty much on board with you here, I just like to get all worked up when people are all positive on some mediocre car (350Z)

I mean the 350Z's not even fast for the money...
(can you tell I wouldn't be caught dead in one???):rocks:
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Doesn't the fact the 350z being a coupe, thus making it lighter, make it seem like the logical choice in winning this one?
The 350Z is heavy; it's 3,400lbs.
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The 350Z is heavy; it's 3,400lbs.

I think the droptop version weighs the same as a ford excursion!
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I think the droptop version weighs the same as a ford excursion!
Seriously, they could have made it a little lighter...it's one of main reasons I don't really like the 350Z or the G35.
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325er, I agree w/ those adjectives for those numbers compared to cars within the past 20 years, but I'd say after the last five years or so you can shif all of the numbers 0.5 seconds downwards to describe the speeds...overall great description though. It's crazy to believe that for roughly 35k a car can reach 0-60 in under 5 seconds (Pontiac GTO, STI, EVO, etc.). And here I thought a few years ago how unlucky I was to be born in an era where the "muscle cars" have passed us for mundane A to B cars....how things have changed!
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325er, I agree w/ those adjectives for those numbers compared to cars within the past 20 years, but I'd say after the last five years or so you can shif all of the numbers 0.5 seconds downwards to describe the speeds...overall great description though. It's crazy to believe that for roughly 35k a car can reach 0-60 in under 5 seconds (Pontiac GTO, STI, EVO, etc.). And here I thought a few years ago how unlucky I was to be born in an era where the "muscle cars" have passed us for mundane A to B cars....how things have changed!
In 20 years, it will be ridiculous.
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^ yeah, a lot of people are all googoo and gaga over the nostalgic muscle car era, for me, meh. I like my technology, screw old school pushrod oil guzzlers
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by then, a hyundai elantra will be hitting 60 in 6 seconds, and Chinese cars will be the new hyundais

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by then, a hyundai elantra will be hitting 60 in 6 seconds, and Chinese cars will be the new hyundais
I'll be almost 40!
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^ yeah, a lot of people are all googoo and gaga over the nostalgic muscle car era, for me, meh. I like my technology, screw old school pushrod oil guzzlers
It was the old school technology that make the current tech possible. Some of the old school cars would still smoke the new cars by all means. Example is the Shelby Cobra. Probably before you time and mine so look it up.
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Honestly, a 350z 300HP versus a 330i 255HP would be neck and neck. The 350z does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and the 330i in 5.9 seconds (yeah, yeah BMW says it does it in 6.1 but all car magazines say it's between 5.7 and 6.0). So the 350z might pull away the tiniest bit but it would be really close. Not sure who would win past 60MPH though.
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nissan 350z is sub 6sec car for the century sprint. the diff between you and the z is about 0.5 sec to 100 kmph .you can match him if the z driver shifts poorly in his manual car but if we were betting, my money will still be on the Z to beat your car! z drivers love to mod their engines, so don't take it too hard.
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nissan 350z
~3400 lbs.
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287 hp @ 6,200 rpm
274 lb-ft @ 4,800 rpm
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300 hp @ 6,400 rpm
260 lb-ft @ 4,800 rpm

BMW 330i
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255@6600 hp
220@2750 lb-ft

eh, different class of cars but here some relevant numbers. also i should point out nissan/infiniti are still using the old SAE method so the numbers are a bit bloated. naturally, the larger displacemnet of the 350z should have more torque but it kicks in a bit later than the 330. so in my opinion itll be a pretty damn close race. driver skill should be the x-factor. but than again who cares. im happy in my pretty-quick luxury sport sedan rather than a not-so-quick sport coupe. but still props to nissan for bringing an exciting car oh and props to BMW for having such a damn fine enginered 3 litter. look at those numbers and mpg to boot
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How many of you have driven an 350z? Trust me is fast, no, trust me is very fast...... I wanted the same car, is fun to drive, is an excellent ride. Just the other night I was driveing, I wanted to race an SUBARU IMPREZA WRX........., he could not keep up , its true we where in the city but it was not so much traffic.... So here is o picture of my girlfriend's ride......
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nissan 350zoh and props to BMW for having such a damn fine enginered 3 litter. look at those numbers and mpg to boot
Definetly! I'm amazed at how well BMW engineered this 3.0L engine. It's really amazing how much power it outputs for it's size. Not to mention its great MPG ratio, polution ratio, accuracy, etc.
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nissan 350z is sub 6sec car for the century sprint. the diff between you and the z is about 0.5 sec to 100 kmph .you can match him if the z driver shifts poorly in his manual car but if we were betting, my money will still be on the Z to beat your car! z drivers are love to mod their engines, so don't take it too hard.
True, you usually see the exhaust mods first or atleast noticeable. Twin big exhaust can be intimidating on some cars.
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