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      05-21-2008, 07:27 PM   #23
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John McCain is more of an Independent than a Republican.

All I hope for is that the voter does not vote for what "feels good" but puts some real thought behind why they are voting for their choice. Do they think that raising taxes is going to help the economy? Do they think that a guy that wants to talk to the leaders of rogue nations is going to help anything? Even Hillary disagrees with that one.

Long time yet till November. Just hope the right choice is made here.
Barack Obama never said he would sit down and talk down face to face with our enemies. He said he would start at the most basic levels via diplomats and go from there. It came out today that Syria and Israel have been going through secret peace talks for a while now. I'm guessing your a firm believer that we should continue in Iraq. Ignoring countries that are threatening is a perfect strategy right? God forbid we try talking before we send my friends and family off to get blown to bits. They are ready to come home. Oh its more than what ''feels good.'' I'm using my brain and NO MORE REPUBLICANS as President for at least 4 years. Many of my close Republican friends dont even recognize their own party. I've put a lot of thought into my decision. It blows my mind that at least half a dozen lobbyists got thrown overboard from managing McCains campaign in the past week! I like how ''independent McCain'' blew the opportunity to tell Bush how much of an ass he made of himself over seas. 74% of the people in the U.S. agreed with Obama on the issue per CNN's poll. Give me a break. Everybody in Washington is owned my somebody else. I'd gladly take a risk that Obama is ''owned'' by less.

Please, lets not get started on taxes. McCain's economy plan is not any better than G.W Bush's. It is common knowledge that is where McCain needs to battle Obama.

I didnt tell those people how to vote when they put Bush through twice. Please dont tell me how to vote. I sat quietly for many years and endured the current administration. Its their turn now. November cant come soon enough. Something must explain the unusually high Republican turnout switching over. Good luck to the GOP, they arent running against a man. It is a movement.
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Whao whao... take it easy pal.

You want to take a chance on a guy with NO experience. It's your vote. Go for it. A guy who sat in church and listened to hate speak from a idiot preacher. You really believe Obama when he says he never heard him speak like that?

We have had 8 years under Bush. 6 of the 8 we have had a booming economy. Same as the Clinton administration. The economy runs in cycles and its Global now more than ever. The USA is 30% of the worlds economy. If we suffer so does everyone else. We should have addressed the Oil issue 30 years ago and started drilling in Alaska 10 years ago. It's our oil. I personally dont think the economy is that bad now. My company cant stop hiring, and its been like that since 2002 with no end in sight.

It is in our national interest to have a Democratic Iraq. Believe what you want. Why haven't you heard Iraq much in the news the past 18 months? Because there has been no bad news to report.

They keep rolling out McCain said 50 -100 years in Iraq, but fail to use what he said after that. "the American people dont care about occupation, they care about casualties" We have been in Japan, South Korea, Germany, Philippines to name a few since WWII. A presence there isn't the question. It's casualties that need to end. And they have decreased singnificantly over the past 18 months since the Surge.

About the rest of the world hating us. I travel the world for work. I have been in Germnay, Singapore, Thailand for 4 months and The Philippines. Have never heard one person down the USA. Not one. And I know one thing for sure. I am very very lucky to be an American citizen. Everybody wants to come here. I know first hand. Be glad you can vote for who you want, and live in a country where anyone can make it. There are a lot of other people throughout the world that would beg to come here.
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You sound like your happy and you love your country? You must be one of those "Big Right Wingers"
--or just an American that is happy and loves his country
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The latter. Is it wrong to like to be an American?
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The latter. Is it wrong to like to be an American?

Are you kidding me? Yeah it’s wrong! Have you not heard? We need to CHANGE America… we need to CHANGE the constitution… we need to CHANGE our capitalist system… We can’t have “right wingers” like you, or any Americans for that matter, being really happy or successful. I mean what with the rest of the world think of us? If we don’t CHANGE now then gas prices might eventually go back down, and everyone will find out that “Global Warming” was a scam, and then we won’t be in a position to CHANGE America the way Obama wants.


DON’T YOU SEE?


And everyone that doesn’t agree is a “Right Winger” that is only motivated by making money and taking care of their own family and has no compassion for others around the world… come on America lets CHANGE! If you don’t then we’ll MAKE YOU…
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The most important thing that will change is that Bush won't be in the White House.

Does this need to be changed?
Well, I believe his approval rating is hovering BELOW 20%. So, I'd say that the majority of people agree that we need a change.

What if it becomes worse?
Can it get any worse? Bush single-handedly took an event (9-11) and managed to take something that had rallied the rest of the world behind us, and caused us to become isolated from the rest of the world.

He then used it to scare up votes to win the '04 election.

He has taken away numerous freedoms and constitutional rights in the name of "preventing teeeerrrrrerrrrism".

This country needs an image makeover. Barack Obama is the Answer. Stop fighting it, man.

Anyhow, I love the USA. I can see that you have personal problems with Obama. Anybody who is anybody in Chicago has sat in that church in Chicago. I will cast my vote accordingly. If my candidate fails, I expect the opponent in 4 years to mop the floor with him. Simple as that.
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]This country needs an image makeover. Barack Obama is the Answer. Stop fighting it, man.[/color]
Geez... this issue came up in the '04 election, and it nauseated me then just as it does now. Image should NOT be a criteria for electability. There is no need to go pandering to other nations purely because they are "upset" at whatever we have done.

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Please, lets not get started on taxes.
There's not a whole lot to talk about. Obama raises taxes; McCain doesn't. Pretty simple. On that issue alone, McCain gets my vote.
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The most important thing that will change is that Bush won't be in the White House.

Does this need to be changed?
Well, I believe his approval rating is hovering BELOW 20%. So, I'd say that the majority of people agree that we need a change.
His approval rating isn’t low because everyone wants to move toward a more socialist style government like Obama wants to take us… and it’s still higher than Congress where Obama has a seat.

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Can it get any worse? Bush single-handedly took an event (9-11) and managed to take something that had rallied the rest of the world behind us, and caused us to become isolated from the rest of the world.

He then used it to scare up votes to win the '04 election.
LOL! I love how people make excuses for how Bush won a 2nd term…

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He has taken away numerous freedoms and constitutional rights in the name of "preventing teeeerrrrrerrrrism".
Be more specific… what freedom or constitutional right have you lost in the last 5 years?

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This country needs an image makeover. Barack Obama is the Answer. Stop fighting it, man.
I’m not as concerned about our image as our security, freedom and economy. This isn’t a beauty pageant, is it?

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Anyhow, I love the USA. I can see that you have personal problems with Obama. Anybody who is anybody has sat in that Church in Chicago. I will cast my vote accordingly. If my candidate fails, I expect the opponent in 4 years to mop the floor with him. Simple as that.
Refer to my last comment about Obama and loving the USA but with CHANGE… it’s as simple as that
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I believe its not Bush or republicans who have taken away rights, its the far left that are doing so. Theres a conservative talk show host that is being sued because of him using his freedom of speech. All he was stating was actual fact that had been happening at the time. My right for where every hard working person can get where they want, is being pushed away from affirmative action. I don't believe that just because you're in a minority, you get way better chances to get ahead in life. Colors should not come into play there. And about everyone mourning about Kennedy's condition, his legacy has screwed us all over.
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His approval rating isn’t low because everyone wants to move toward a more socialist style government like Obama wants to take us… and it’s still higher than Congress where Obama has a seat.



LOL! I love how people make excuses for how Bush won a 2nd term…



Be more specific… what freedom or constitutional right have you lost in the last 5 years?



I’m not as concerned about our image as our security, freedom and economy. This isn’t a beauty pageant, is it?



Refer to my last comment about Obama and loving the USA but with CHANGE… it’s as simple as that

Every administration offers the promise of change. Republican administrations has done this as well. The real question is whether the voters want change and the chance of a liberal leaning administration or change and the chance of a conservative leaning administration.

I think that fact that a sizeable number of voters are so in favor of change answers yuor question--"Does it even need to be changed?"--in the affirmative. Changing the course of the country is a valid pursuit of policy.


It really interests me as to why Republicans are losing seats in crusial places where they have had strongholds for decadeds. Obama 08! :biggrin:
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It really interests me as to why Republicans are losing seats in crusial places where they have had strongholds for decadeds.
...to politicians of more conservative policies than the Republicans that were incumbent. Don Cazayoux of Louisiana, for example, is strongly pro-life, pro-guns, anti-amnesty for illegal immigrants, and strong on crime. Ask Obama where he stands on those issues, and chances are (keeping in mind, it's pretty hard to tell where he stands on anything...) he holds the opposite views.
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I just love the hate for Barack Obama. After 8 years of Bush, all I have to say is too bad. I attended his Tampa, FL rally today and I left amazed!! We are a broken country and there is no guarantees that he can fix it. In fact, he even stated that Democrats cant do it alone today. I have never seen so many people come together so united. I get a really good feeling from this man. I support Barack Obama and it feels damn good. I respect McCain but his party has left a very bad taste in my mouth.
Check your verbiage: 'left amazed', 'come together so united', and 'it feels damn good'. Are you refering to an encounter group or some touchy-feely hippie compound?

I'm glad Obama makes you 'feel' good, but please tell me how that translates into anything of substance? And I'm not picking on you, rather I'm just weary of the whole Cult of Personality aura.
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Every administration offers the promise of change. Republican administrations has done this as well. The real question is whether the voters want change and the chance of a liberal leaning administration or change and the chance of a conservative leaning administration.

I think that fact that a sizeable number of voters are so in favor of change answers yuor question--"Does it even need to be changed?"--in the affirmative. Changing the course of the country is a valid pursuit of policy.


It really interests me as to why Republicans are losing seats in crusial places where they have had strongholds for decadeds. Obama 08! :biggrin:


Every survey of the US indicates that its population is right of center. People do want change your right almost everyone runs on change (except Bush 1). But what change are we running for? The reason that Republicans are losing seats is because they have lost their message while democrats have been pounding away. That doesn’t change the fact that the people of the country are more right of center. If Obama wins or loses just know he is really too liberal for the general public. My humble opinion…
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Cool it

Isn't this a BMW 1-Series forum? Take it from me, we have enough political blogs on the net, and I don't need one on this site. I came here to enjoy the 1-Series, not to argue or even discuss politics.
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Isn't this a BMW 1-Series forum? Take it from me, we have enough political blogs on the net, and I don't need one on this site. I came here to enjoy the 1-Series, not to argue or even discuss politics.
Settle down… it will be okay…. Obviously people that own one of the best cars in the world are interested in politics too!
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Isn't this a BMW 1-Series forum? Take it from me, we have enough political blogs on the net, and I don't need one on this site. I came here to enjoy the 1-Series, not to argue or even discuss politics.
Uh, it is posted under the 'politics' thread, right? You aren't forced to read it are you? Didn't think so. Now, chill your grill, dude...
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Isn't this a BMW 1-Series forum? Take it from me, we have enough political blogs on the net, and I don't need one on this site. I came here to enjoy the 1-Series, not to argue or even discuss politics.
You sir, deserve the double eye roll:
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The problem I have with Democrats at the moment is their desire to Socialize this country. They are cracking down on anyone that is making money. This whole Big Oil attack is just a cover up for the governments lack of foresight. They could have prevented this by allowing the drilling of oil off the coasts, in ANWAR and other areas. They could take the handcuffs off the industries that are trying to pursue coal to oil technology.

I am sorry, but the answer to our poor economy is not socialization. It is innovation. Which is what made this country great in the first place. Quit regulating everything and bailing out those that fail because of poor decisions. Let capitalism do its thing and we will be all right.
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The problem I have with Democrats at the moment is their desire to Socialize this country. They are cracking down on anyone that is making money. This whole Big Oil attack is just a cover up for the governments lack of foresight. They could have prevented this by allowing the drilling of oil off the coasts, in ANWAR and other areas. They could take the handcuffs off the industries that are trying to pursue coal to oil technology.

I am sorry, but the answer to our poor economy is not socialization. It is innovation. Which is what made this country great in the first place. Quit regulating everything and bailing out those that fail because of poor decisions. Let capitalism do its thing and we will be all right.
thank you! finally some reason and sanity
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The problem I have with Democrats at the moment is their desire to Socialize this country. They are cracking down on anyone that is making money. This whole Big Oil attack is just a cover up for the governments lack of foresight. They could have prevented this by allowing the drilling of oil off the coasts, in ANWAR and other areas. They could take the handcuffs off the industries that are trying to pursue coal to oil technology.

I am sorry, but the answer to our poor economy is not socialization. It is innovation. Which is what made this country great in the first place. Quit regulating everything and bailing out those that fail because of poor decisions. Let capitalism do its thing and we will be all right.
Not to pile on, but did you see the mentally-marginal Maxine Waters yesterday? She wants to 'Socialize' (then she figured out 'Nationalize') the oil companies...

God save us.
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The problem I have with Democrats at the moment is their desire to Socialize this country. They are cracking down on anyone that is making money. This whole Big Oil attack is just a cover up for the governments lack of foresight. They could have prevented this by allowing the drilling of oil off the coasts, in ANWAR and other areas. They could take the handcuffs off the industries that are trying to pursue coal to oil technology.

I am sorry, but the answer to our poor economy is not socialization. It is innovation. Which is what made this country great in the first place. Quit regulating everything and bailing out those that fail because of poor decisions. Let capitalism do its thing and we will be all right.
There we go, finally someone else says it. We tried drilling here back in the Clinton days but they said no. Now that we need it they say it will take too long. Well if we would have done it earlier! Being energy independant will help us out so much.
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