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      08-30-2007, 07:54 PM   #1
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Bangle is Roth Reincarnated?

I think I can now say that Bangle is channeling Ed 'Big Daddy' Roth. Here's the visual proof:
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He has to be the most famous car designer EVER. Can anybody name 2 more off the top of their head? Whose got BMW by the balls??? Bangle. BMW's board has very high confidence in who? Bangle. I should get his P.O. box. Maybe he'll send me his autograph. His designs arent perfect and are polarizing but I would still like to meet him.
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      08-30-2007, 09:47 PM   #3
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He has to be the most famous car designer EVER.
Who Ed Roth? To quote Foghorn Leghorn, "It's a joke son . . ." Don't take me too seriously (as if you don't know that by now ; -).
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Who Ed Roth? To quote Foghorn Leghorn, "It's a joke son . . ." Don't take me too seriously (as if you don't know that by now ; -).
I was talking about Bangle. I have no clue who that ed roth guy is...:iono:
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Ed Roth

Ah - I gotta remember most of the guys on this board didn't grow up sniffing glue and building model hot-rods in their bedrooms like some of us ol' guys did. But Ed Roth was every teenage car crazies hero when I was coming of age (back in the stone age that is). Ed Roth gave the world 'Rat Fink', and for that I'm eternally grateful. Here's a blurb from the Wiki entry for Rat Fink:

"Rat Fink is one of the several hot-rod characters created by one of the originators of Kustom Kulture, Ed "Big Daddy" Roth. Roth's hatred for Mickey Mouse (and that's not a bad thing -ed ; -) led him to draw the original Rat Fink. After he placed Rat Fink on an airbrushed monster shirt, the character soon came to symbolize the entire hot-rod/Kustom Kulture scene of the 1950s and 1960s.

The Rat Fink is a green, depraved-looking mouse with bulging, bloodshot eyes, an oversized mouth with yellowed, narrow teeth, and a red T-shirt with yellow "R.F." on it.

Other artists associated with Roth also drew the character, including Rat Fink Comix artist R.K. Sloane and Steve Fiorilla, who illustrated Roth's catalogs. Rat Fink and Roth are featured in Ron Mann's documentary film Tales of the Rat Fink (2006). [1] Jeannette Catsoulis reviewed in The New York Times:

Ogling fins and drooling over fenders, the movie traces the colorful history of the hot rod from speed machine to babe magnet and, finally, museum piece and collector’s item. Along the way we learn of Mr. Roth’s lucrative idea to paint hideous monsters — including the Rat Fink of the title — on children’s T-shirts, a sartorial trend that, in the 1960’s, had the added benefit of getting their wearers banned from school, thus giving them more time to play with Mr. Roth’s model car kits. I’ll bet Donald Trump wishes he had thought of that one.

Rat Fink's dad, Rat Funk, by Steve FiorillaMore instructive about the obsessions of teenage boys than the allure of steel and wheel, “Tales of the Rat Fink” punctuates Michael Roberts’s eyeball-searing animation with a haphazard selection of old newsreels, photographs and automobile ads. Lending their voices to the cars themselves — a trick Mr. Roth, who died in 2001, might have found a tad cutesy — is an appropriately eclectic bunch of celebrities, including Tom Wolfe (who celebrated Mr. Roth in “The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby”) and Ann-Margret, while a strangely listless John Goodman serves as the voice of Mr. Roth. “Cars should have personality,” he tells us, in a tone that suggests he’s struggling to locate his own. Depending on your age, sex and mechanical inclinations, “Tales of the Rat Fink” will convince you that Mr. Roth should either have been canonized or smothered at birth.
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I have a friend who hung out for an afternoon with Big Daddy back in the day, who by then had turned old and bitter. Roth asked for money from my bud after their conversation saying his talk didn't come cheap. Too bad.
But, the cars from these guys are a kind of DIY study in design- or more accurately a rebellion in design/
most of it just god-awful...but a neat chapter that's taken for granted as a cultural sideshow without any serious scholarship and research that I know of...real boundary creatures who were outsider pioneers of that era.
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Ah - I gotta remember most of the guys on this board didn't grow up sniffing glue and building model hot-rods in their bedrooms like some of us ol' guys did.
Here's the Rat:
Hey now, I might be an 80's baby but we sniffed white out. And I did unsuccessfully build model cars in my bedroom too!!
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He has to be the most famous car designer EVER. Can anybody name 2 more off the top of their head?
Sure, I can think of quite a few, and I'm by no means a design buff. But in keeping it BMW related, how about Wilhelm Hofmeister and (my personal favorite) Paul Bracq.
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Then there's Albrect von Goertz (of BMW 507 fame) - a German-American that studied under Raymond Loewy.

And we haven't even mentioned Harley Earl or Bill Mitchell or any of the Italians (Giugiaro, Pinin Farina, Ghia, Touring, Zagato). Ettore Bugatti, Tom Gale at Chrsyler.

Some of the links are Wiki entries but some of the links to the Italian sites are pretty good.

PS - the only notable Ford designer (outside of Brookside's least favorite, J Mays) may be Jack Telnack. Henry Ford's son, Edsel had a very keen eye for design and is one of the most tragic figures in automotive history (even more so than Ferrari's son Dino).
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and...
Anders Warming- Z4/Mille Miglia Concept
Adrian von Hooydonk - 3 series/ 7 series
Chris Chapman - 1 series hatch


oops....almost left out
Peter Schreyer - Audi/Kia
Freeman Thomas- Audi TT/Chrysler 300/Ford Interceptor

ps- Hugo...loved Jack Telnack- designer of the original Ford Taurus and Mercury Sable and many more.



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      09-01-2007, 07:11 AM   #11
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Now here's an abomination last seen at the Art Institute show this year:

Dang and that Riley is there in the background! Can't get away from that car. ; -)
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Hijacked for Sure

I hearby officially declare this thread hijacked in fewer than 10 posts! Good job all!!

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Now here's an abomination last seen at the Art Institute show this year:
That is quite strange...what? - a Telnack designed T-Bird with '51 Ford hood and fenders. Yikes. What a monstrosity.

That's the Freshman student dorm on the left and the admin building, Epperson House- on the right.
The grassy Quad that the cars are sitting on used to be a sea of mud and weeds until the new President took over and restored the campus to its former glory.
I hope they do this event again.
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Boy do I feel naive...you guys basically stoned me.
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And to further hijack this thread - I want to bring up one of the most important American manufacturers that virtually noone has heard of.

Harry Arminius Miller - the great father of American speed. There are more threads in car culture that can be traced from Harry Miller to the present than you can shake a stick at. For instance look at a Bugatti engine prior to the early '30s and then after Leon Duray (George Stewart) shows up in France with two Miller FWD board track cars. The Miller marine engine of the 1920s won races into the 1970s as the Offenhauser.

And there's another odd link with Miller's engines - it started with the rebuild of 'Wild Bob' Burman's Peugeot racer in 1915 - and that racer was one of Peugeot's Indy entries in 1913/1914. It was a DOHC design from 1912! (So anytime someone says DOHC are modern you can tell them otherwise!!)

Here's a picture I took of one of the Miller FWD board track cars displayed at Pebble Beach in 2003:
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Beautiful photo Hugo of a gorgeous automobile. Didn't Mazda also offer a "Miller-cycle" engine in the Millenia?


ps. We (also) forgot Raymond Loewy.
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Different Miller - it was a four stroke Atkinson cycle engine (see Toyota Prius) with a Lysholm supercharger making it a 'Miller' cycle engine. You know that engine would work really well with direct injection!! <Big Wink, because some of that valve overlap strategy plays out in the N54>

Hey, I think I covered Loewy with the Albrect von Goertz reference (at least I hope I did).
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Loewy- yeah, there he is. missed that. Thanks for clearing up the Mazda/Miller question.
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That was neat car - tried to get my wife to buy one - but she took the safe route and settled for a Honda Accord (geez that was a couple of buying cycles ago for her - she isn't a big car fan at all - but when she says she likes a car I really perk up because the designers have done something special if she notices it and thinks positively about it.)
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You know - not many people would even know about the Miller Cycle Mazda - I'm very impressed!!
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Did I hear somebody say Ed Roth? For nearly two decades I have been collecting B&W Roth decals from 63-67. Monsters in cars and Rat Fink are even kooler than BMW's.:biggrin:

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Surname - YOU are the MAN!!!!!
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