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      01-21-2009, 03:38 PM   #45
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i work in bavaria and i rarely ever see a 335i. i see more m3s in fact. likewise, i dont see any S model audis. these cars are in fact premiums in their lineup, just not a huge premium like an M or RS.
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In the UK the 335iM/Sport and S4 are very evenly priced and this time round their respective cylinder count, capacity and outputs (real figures) are near identical. It just seems that in the States BMW are very cheap or Audi are very dearer.

But be in no doubt two competitors couldn't be better matched.
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The majority of us car mags show the 335xi beating the Mitsubishi in the 1/4m 0-60 etc.
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Also a lot of E90post members have no problems matching US car mags stock performance numbers that Some German mags can't.

The 335xi(stock) easily beats the Evo(stock) at the drag strip...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123551

0 to 100km/hr in 5.5 sec for the 335xi and 5.2 sec for the Evo...that doesn't make sense.
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Also a lot of E90post members have no problems matching US car mags stock performance numbers that Some German mags can't.

The 335xi(stock) easily beats the Evo(stock) at the drag strip...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123551

0 to 100km/hr in 5.5 sec for the 335xi and 5.2 sec for the Evo...that doesn't make sense.
Actually it makes a lot of sense, if I understand the translation correctly the 335xi was an automatic which wouldn't get off the line as well as a manual but the new ZF gearbox has little efficiency lose compared to the manual and is actually much better at shifting gear, so those it will produce a slower 0-60mph time than a manual, it's should even itself out by the 100mph mark.

So basically V1.47fan the end result would still be the same, that is a crushing victory for the S4.

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Hey I'm no fan of the S4's looks and because of this I will never own one, but I can't deny that Audi has finally produced a car which beats the 335i/xi is every which way and that in the UK at least where their prices are roughly the same is the much better car.
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@ footie:
Sportauto carmag(ISSUE 1/2009) doesn't agree with you as you already know(S4 vs 335i:335i wins)so it's just your opinion which is the better car.

Maybe I do agree with you. You never know.Seriously.I first have to drive the S4. Then we'll see.
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http://forums.motortrend.com/70/6579...-se/index.html

Here the 335xi is quicker than the Evo according to "Motor Trend" but the above comparo posted by the OP shows the Evo beating the 335xi by a lot.

The manual and auto numbers for the 335xi are almost identical where "car and driver" had the manual 335xi in sub 5's they had the 335xi auto in 5 sec to 60
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Hey I'm no fan of the S4's looks and because of this I will never own one, but I can't deny that Audi has finally produced a car which beats the 335i/xi is every which way and that in the UK at least where their prices are roughly the same is the much better car.
I don't like the looks either but I'll admit the S4 crushes the 335i on paper.

The only Audi's that ever caught my eye though were the S5 and R8. The other cars in the lineup really don't do it for me.
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I don't like the looks either but I'll admit the S4 crushes the 335i on paper.

The only Audi's that ever caught my eye though were the S5 and R8. The other cars in the lineup really don't do it for me.
I think that depends on what paper you're reading my friend,reputable car mags show a different story.
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I think that depends on what paper you're reading my friend,reputable car mags show a different story.
I'm not going to debate the reputable nature of a magazine, that's not really what this thread is about.

I'm going to assume that the data posted in the scans is accurate, and based on that, the S4 crushes the 335i.

If you want to debate if the magazine is shit, save that for another thread. I don't really want to derail the thread on a somewhat pointless tangent.
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I'm not going to debate the reputable nature of a magazine, that's not really what this thread is about.

I'm going to assume that the data posted in the scans is accurate, and based on that, the S4 crushes the 335i.

If you want to debate if the magazine is shit, save that for another thread. I don't really want to derail the thread on a somewhat pointless tangent.
I'm not derailing anything. The new S4 doesn't crush the 335i nor does the new Evo,if you want to believe otherwise because it's printed by a german mag that's your prerogative.
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      01-22-2009, 02:14 PM   #56
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Why not? The Dinan tune gives an 80+ HP increase for stage 2 on the 335i.

It just depends on the company, 70+ is not impossible or unlikely.
The 335i is a twin turbo and the new s4 is supercharged. I don't have a lot of experience with supercharged cars, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot easier to crank up the boost on a turbo car.

The B5 s4 was a TT, and I don't think tuners are getting 70 chp with just a tune out of that engine. I don't think it depends on the company. It depends on the car.
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I'm not derailing anything. The new S4 doesn't crush the 335i nor does the new Evo,if you want to believe otherwise because it's printed by a german mag that's your prerogative.
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Like I said before:Read ISSUE 1/2009 of carmag SPORTAUTO(very good reputation here in EU, as a matter of fact my nr1 carmag by far) and see the 335i win over the S4.
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The 335i is a twin turbo and the new s4 is supercharged. I don't have a lot of experience with supercharged cars, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot easier to crank up the boost on a turbo car.

The B5 s4 was a TT, and I don't think tuners are getting 70 chp with just a tune out of that engine. I don't think it depends on the company. It depends on the car.
Kleemann has tune kits that move the V8 5.5 Kompressor engines up 45-55HP, and that's an older engine.

You're probably right though, it may require a new belt and custom pulley to hit the 70+ mark, it would still be fairly cheap considering the gains.
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Sportauto carmag(ISSUE 1/2009) doesn't agree with you as you already know(S4 vs 335i:335i wins)so it's just your opinion which is the better car.

Maybe I do agree with you. You never know.Seriously.I first have to drive the S4. Then we'll see.
Seriously RH, you are jumping to the 335i defence without understand what i meant by 'crushed'. These comment were directed at the acceleration of both cars, here the S4 has the 335i/xi well and truly beaten.

Next is the handling, with the exception of one test the S4 again has the 335 comfortable beaten. Now we know that in some countries there is price difference issues that only each individual has to decide for themselves but either way the S4 looks to be the best competition to date and may well prove to be the best in sector.
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God!you don't even know when you're wrong.It's a waste of time arguing with you,really.
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God!you don't even know when you're wrong.It's a waste of time arguing with you,really.
Please explain where my comments are wrong?

So far we have 3 reviews with the S4 winning 2 and the 335 winning 1. We also have the S4 posting the quickest acceleration and lap times in all tests.

Sure it to earlier to jump to the conclusion that it's a hands down win for the Audi but the possibilities are high. Some people rate Sportauto's opinion while other may rate another rag, I myself prefer Driver Republic and EVO but each to their own.

But to some people the very fact that the S4 is able to match the 335 and yet offer more all weather ability makes to ideal choice.
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I just want to see stateside magazines with performance numbers I'm used to seeing.
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Audi made a great car as usual. They have to settle on an engine soon though. Turbo, n/a, and now s/c... I think that if they could bring back the tt v6 that would be awesome.
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I just want to see stateside magazines with performance numbers I'm used to seeing.
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The comparo posted by the OP shows the new Evo almost matching the S4 numbers and the new Evo also "crushing" the 335xi.

Yet Automobile, Road and Track ,Motor trend Car and Driver all show The 335xi having a quicker acceleration than the Mitsu Evo.
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I just want to see stateside magazines with performance numbers I'm used to seeing.
I agree with you. When you are use to a certain magazine's results then any other figures leave you in doubt.

I don't thing any magazine test their standing starts on anything like as grippie as a drag strip so this will account for some of the differences you will see, plus they don't account of roll-out but then again these figures are the more obtainable for the owners.

Example of this was my M3, Autocar posted 4.7s for the M3, I myself saw this on the iphone from my DCT M3 without using LC, their 0-100mph was 10.2s and I got a respectable 10.4s on a slightly damp road. In no way will I ever see a 4.2s run or a 9.1s run to 60mph or 100mph respectively, it's unachievable of a public road.

I look forward to seeing scans of the Sportauto test, if only to see were it and the other two test differ.
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