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      01-20-2009, 02:15 AM   #1
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RS5 maybe V10?

VIDEO: Audi RS5 at the Nurburgring

Autoblog:
"Based on that note, unless they've tweaked the exhaust from the 4.2-liter V8, it sounds to us like there's a certain V10 lurking in that engine bay."


I think they may be right, it sounds like no V8 audi has produced.


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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/19/v...ts-german-for/


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      01-20-2009, 02:27 AM   #2
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It does sound very similar to the RS6 biturbo V10.



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      01-20-2009, 02:39 AM   #3
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Actually it sounds a lot like any Vee engined Audi. Maybe it their angle of the vee but to me they all have a similar note.

Here's the current RS4 going round the ring.

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And now an S5 revving up.

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See what I mean.
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Not sure.

If you listen at 0:35 in the RS5 video. When it is coming straight at the camera with high revs. It doesn't sound like the RS4 at all.

Guess we will know sooner or later.

But it is fun to speculate.
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      01-20-2009, 03:21 AM   #5
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Some form of induction change could be reason for the different, slightly more muffled, exhaust.

Regardless, Audi engine noise/exhaust > 99% of what's out there. That V10 is just avg though.
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Im sort of doubtful they put a V10 in there... and from previous spy shots it wasnt forced induction or anything. The most common speculation last time I was looking into the RS5 is a tweaked version of the RS4 V8 doing about 470hp.
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Not sure.

If you listen at 0:35 in the RS5 video. When it is coming straight at the camera with high revs. It doesn't sound like the RS4 at all.

Guess we will know sooner or later.

But it is fun to speculate.
I would says that judging at the time mark you are suggesting this is a high revving engine for sure.

I doubt it's a V10 though, it's not an M6 competitor it's a rival to the 2dr M3 in much the same way a the RS4 is a rival to the 4dr version. A V10 engine would position the RS5 well above it's natural competitors which would not be a smart move.
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I would says that judging at the time mark you are suggesting this is a high revving engine for sure.

I doubt it's a V10 though, it's not an M6 competitor it's a rival to the 2dr M3 in much the same way a the RS4 is a rival to the 4dr version. A V10 engine would position the RS5 well above it's natural competitors which would not be a smart move.
I think am with you on this one. Also with the S5 going to a supercharged V6, adds more evidence the RS5 will have a V8. It sure does sound nice in that video.

Most mags have done comparos of the S5 and 335i coupe. But I have seen some mags compare the S5 with the 6-series before, both being grand touring cars. Maybe Audi has some crazy idea, have the RS5 compete with the M6, with a big nasty V10. Just pure speculation, most likely not happening.
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      01-20-2009, 05:02 AM   #9
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I think am with you on this one. Also with the S5 going to a supercharged V6, adds more evidence the RS5 will have a V8. It sure does sound nice in that video.

Most mags have done comparos of the S5 and 335i coupe. But I have seen some mags compare the S5 with the 6-series before, both being grand touring cars. Maybe Audi has some crazy idea, have the RS5 compete with the M6, with a big nasty V10. Just pure speculation, most likely not happening.
From a pricing viewpoint, the RS5 is most likely going to bridge the gap between the M3 and M6, much like how the S5 bridges the gap between the 335i and 650i.
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It sure sounds like a naturally aspirated V8 to me with all that raspy induction noise as a turbo will not make that.V10's for the most part just sound like crap with 1 or 2 exeptions.I might be ordering one the RS5 once we know what the spec will be as with our winters the attraction of AWD is too much to resist.
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It sure sounds like a naturally aspirated V8 to me with all that raspy induction noise as a turbo will not make that.V10's for the most part just sound like crap with 1 or 2 exeptions.I might be ordering one the RS5 once we know what the spec will be as with our winters the attraction of AWD is too much to resist.
Save the money and buy an S4, then chip it. Worth reading the thread on E90 Board where it has beaten the 335i and 335xi on two occasion and beaten it with remarkable ease by the looks of it.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202288

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201250
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      01-20-2009, 03:47 PM   #12
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335i 6mt saloon vs S4 in Sportauto mag:335i won that one.
new auto motor und sport carmag: 335i saloon 6mt vs S4, S4 wins but by a very small margin, because the brake distance was excellent.

S4 was in the retailprice/cost chapter way too expensive vs the 335i...
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335i 6mt saloon vs S4 in Sportauto mag:335i won that one.
new auto motor und sport carmag: 335i saloon 6mt vs S4, S4 wins but by a very small margin, because the brake distance was excellent.

S4 was in the retailprice/cost chapter way too expensive vs the 335i...
That is surprising that the 335i is much cheaper because in the UK a 335i M/Sport is just as dear and it Germany the Audi is the cheaper.
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That is surprising that the 335i is much cheaper because in the UK a 335i M/Sport is just as dear and it Germany the Audi is the cheaper.
Germany:
base price Audi S4: Euro 50.950,-
base price E90 335i manual: Euro 41.850,-

So what's your point?
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only makes sense to put a V10 in it, right?
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Maybe you're talking about a different 'Germany', footy?

I'm talking about the 'Germany' which is located half an hour driving from where I live. LOL
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Save the money and buy an S4, then chip it. Worth reading the thread on E90 Board where it has beaten the 335i and 335xi on two occasion and beaten it with remarkable ease by the looks of it.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202288

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201250

We don't want a 4 door and I do not aftermarket anything I own.Been down that road way too many times with too much agravation too many times that take way too much time to sort out.Especially if it is primarly my wifes car.
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Germany:
base price Audi S4: Euro 50.950,-
base price E90 335i manual: Euro 41.850,-

So what's your point?
I was assuming that we were comparing like with like. You can't really compare a basic 335i with an S4, for a start there is a numbers of features that are standard on the S4 which are optional extras of the 335i. Even the basic 335i you were using wasn't one equipped with the M/Sport bodykit for heaven sake.

Either way this isn't that important, the thing I'm excited in is the fact Audi have another alternative which is more than a match for another BMW which can only be a good thing for us the consumer.
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I was assuming that we were comparing like with like. You can't really compare a basic 335i with an S4, for a start there is a numbers of features that are standard on the S4 which are optional extras of the 335i. Even the basic 335i you were using wasn't one equipped with the M/Sport bodykit for heaven sake.

Either way this isn't that important, the thing I'm excited in is the fact Audi have another alternative which is more than a match for another BMW which can only be a good thing for us the consumer.
+1 on both points.
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That is the sickest sound ever...!!! I want one
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Whatever... if it has AWD then.. BORING!!
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Im sort of doubtful they put a V10 in there... and from previous spy shots it wasnt forced induction or anything. The most common speculation last time I was looking into the RS5 is a tweaked version of the RS4 V8 doing about 470hp.
470 hp from 4.2 liters?
Not without forced induction on a road going production car.
That would be an amazing 112 hp per liter NA

My guess it IS a tweaked version of the 4.2 liter in the RS4 but expect it to be in the 430-435 hp range at most.
Add that to the lighter RS5 platform and it would make it a pretty quick car.

A TT V10 just won't sell very well here in the states, would make the car too front heavy as well.

However, two small turbos on the 4.2 liter making 5-6 psi boost would make that one heck of an engine and car.
But I'm sure it would require the lower revving 4.2 from the old S4 and current S5.
That would put it in the 450 hp range and a boatload of torque which would be awesome for that AWD platform.
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