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      01-17-2009, 10:01 PM   #1
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VIR Lap Times M3 vs. 47 other cars

These are lap times at Virginia International Raceway.
The M3 was up there with some pretty exotic machinery and placed ahead of many cars that are much more expensive.

Most of the cars were driven by Car and Driver Magazine test drivers.

There is obviously a margin for error since the cars were not all tested on the same day and of course there is more to a great car than lap times but I thought it was an interesting comparison.




1. Mosler MT 900 GTR 2:45.9
2. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 2:48.6
3. Ferrari F430 Scuderia 2:54.6
4. Nissan GT-R 2:55.6
5. Dodge Viper STR-10 (600hp) 2:57.4
6. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 2:58.2
7. Ford GT 3:00.7
8. Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51 3:01.2
9. Dodge Viper SRT-10 3:01.6
10. Porsche 997 GT3 3:01.8
11. Chevrolet Corvette C6 3:03.6
12. Cadillac CTS-V 3:04.0
13. Audi R8 3:04.6
14. BMW M3 (E92) 3:05.6
15. Porsche 997 Turbo 3:05.8
16. Ford Shelby GT500 3:05.9
17. Mercedes C 63 AMG 3:06.5
18. Lotus Elise S2 3:09.2
19. Porsche Cayman S 3:09.5
20. BMW M6 3:10.0
21. BMW 335i Coupe 3:10.5
22. Audi RS4 (B7) 3:11.2
23. BMW Z4 M Roadster 3:11.7
24. Nissan 350Z (283bhp) 3:12.5
25. Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC 3:13.0
26. Mitsubishi EVO X MR 3:13.3
27. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 3:13.5
28. BMW 135i Coupe (E82) 3:13.7
29. Lexus IS F 3:14.0
30. Audi S5 3:14.6
31. Honda S2000 Type S 3:15.0
32. Mazda 3 MPS 3:16.0
33. Dodge Challenger SRT-8 3:16.3
34. Lotus Elise SC 3:16.6
35. Infiniti G37 Coupe 3:17.5
36. Dodge Charger SRT-8 3:18.2
37. Mazda RX-8 3:19.0
38. Subaru Impreza WRX STI (2.5l) 3:19.0
39. Chevrolet Cobalt SS 3:20.6
40. Dodge Caliber SRT4 3:20.8
41. Ford Mustang GT 3:20.9
42. VW Golf R32 3:21.8
43. Mini Cooper S (Mk II) 3:22.9
44. Honda Civic Mugen Si 3:24.8
45. VW Golf GTI Mk V 3:25.1
46. Honda Civic SI 3:26.5
47. Volvo C30 T5 3:26.6
48. Mazda MX-5 2.0 MZR 3:29.3
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      01-17-2009, 10:17 PM   #2
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14. BMW M3 (E92) 3:05.6

17. Mercedes C 63 AMG 3:06.5

22. Audi RS4 (B7) 3:11.2

29. Lexus IS F 3:14.0


C63 did a good job, trying to keep up with the M3 on a road course.

IS-F just got spanked again on another road course test.





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      01-17-2009, 10:27 PM   #3
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Don't let the 335I guys see this as they will analyze it to death trying to figure out if 5 seconds is really worth 15 grand. Because as we all know that is the only difference.
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CTS-V is amazing..
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Note the M3's time from the 08 Lightning Lap comparo was a DCT car run in auto because it was before the software updates fixing the downshift problem. May have cost it a little bit of time.
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What surprised me was that the Shelby GT 500 was up there with the Porsche 997 Turbo and the M3. I would guess that of the three the M3 was the easiest to drive fast and the best balanced but that is speculation on my part.

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I'm actually surprised it wasn't faster.
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The SuperSnake I am sure would be.
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Don't let the 335I guys see this as they will analyze it to death trying to figure out if 5 seconds is really worth 15 grand. Because as we all know that is the only difference.
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Caddy kixx ss and the C62 is only a sec or 2 off from the Caddy/M3 Maybe time for FI for the M3?

12. Cadillac CTS-V 3:04.0
13. Audi R8 3:04.6
14. BMW M3 (E92) 3:05.6
15. Porsche 997 Turbo 3:05.8
16. Ford Shelby GT500 3:05.9
17. Mercedes C 63 AMG 3:06.5
18. Lotus Elise S2 3:09.2
19. Porsche Cayman S 3:09.5
20. BMW M6 3:10.0
21. BMW 335i Coupe 3:10.5
22. Audi RS4 (B7) 3:11.2
23. BMW Z4 M Roadster 3:11.7
24. Nissan 350Z (283bhp) 3:12.5
25. Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC 3:13.0
26. Mitsubishi EVO X MR 3:13.3
27. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 3:13.5
28. BMW 135i Coupe (E82) 3:13.7
29. Lexus IS F 3:14.0
30. Audi S5 3:14.6
31. Honda S2000 Type S 3:15.0
32. Mazda 3 MPS 3:16.0
33. Dodge Challenger SRT-8 3:16.3
34. Lotus Elise SC 3:16.6
35. Infiniti G37 Coupe 3:17.5
36. Dodge Charger SRT-8 3:18.2
37. Mazda RX-8 3:19.0
38. Subaru Impreza WRX STI (2.5l) 3:19.0
39. Chevrolet Cobalt SS 3:20.6
40. Dodge Caliber SRT4 3:20.8
41. Ford Mustang GT 3:20.9
42. VW Golf R32 3:21.8
43. Mini Cooper S (Mk II) 3:22.9
44. Honda Civic Mugen Si 3:24.8
45. VW Golf GTI Mk V 3:25.1
46. Honda Civic SI 3:26.5
47. Volvo C30 T5 3:26.6
48. Mazda MX-5 2.0 MZR 3:29.3
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thought the cts-v wuld be faster
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Keep in mind that these results are for VIR and do not necessarily imdicate that the cars would finish in the same order on another track.

VIR is a good indication of how a car will perform on the road because there are some long straights, some tight turns and several elevation changes. On this type of track acceleration and braking performance (along with handling and cornering) are very important.

On a track lime Lime Rock (my home track) which in the "Classic"" configurtion is more of a "momentum" track a good deal of the course can be taken flat out. There is little threshold braking and acceleration is not as important. I don't have lap time comparisons for Lime Rock but it would be an interesting comparison.

Here is a video of lap of VIR in a supercharged Miata.



And these are the lap times for the starting grid at VIR for the 2007 Rolex Grand American Road Racing Series.


Pos No. Driver Team Time Speed
1 75 Braun/ Papis Krohn Racing / Pontiac Riley 01:45.0 112.111
2 99 Fogarty/ Gurney Gainsco/ Bob Stallings Racing / Pontiac Riley 01:45.2 111.951
3 58 Donohue/ Law Red Bull/ Brumos Porsche / Porsche Riley 01:45.7 111.39
4 1 Pruett/ Rojas TELMEX Chip Ganassi with Felix Sabates / Lexus Riley 01:45.7 111.362
5 10 Taylor/ Angelelli/ Magnussen SunTrust Racing / Pontiac Riley 01:45.8 111.277

6 61 Frisselle/ Wilkins/ Frisselle AIM Autosport / Lexus Riley 01:46.3 110.733
7 6 Frisselle/ James Michael Shank Racing / Lexus Riley 01:46.5 110.586
8 77 Gidley/ Goeters Feeds The Need/ Doran Racing / Ford Doran 01:47.1 109.902
9 11 Dalziel/ Dumoulin SAMAX / Pontiac Riley 01:47.2 109.815
10 19 Finlay/ Valiante Chip Ganassi with Felix Sabates / Lexus Riley 01:47.4 109.585

11 59 Haywood/ France Brumos Porsche/ Kendall / Porsche Riley 01:47.8 109.165
12 39 Fittipaldi/ Brix Cheever Racing / Porsche Fabcar 01:47.9 109.141
13 91 Matthews/ Goossens Riley-Matthews Motorsports / Pontiac Riley 01:48.4 108.638
14 60 Patterson/ Negri Jr Michael Shank Racing / Lexus Riley 01:48.5 108.508
15 5 Auberlen/ Alhadeff Luggage Express Team Sigalsport BMW / BMW Riley 01:48.8 108.209

16 76 Krohn/ Jonsson Krohn Racing / Pontiac Riley 01:48.9 108.083
17 53 Constantine/ Borkowski/ Murry Playboy Racing/ Unitech / Infiniti Riley 01:49.6 107.395
18 3 Lewis/ Ruhlman Southard Motorsports / Lexus Riley 01:49.9 107.104
19 16 Dyson/ Dyson Howard Motorsports / Porsche Crawford 01:51.9 105.229
20 12 Schramm/ Bell RVO Motorsports / Pontiac Riley 01:55.0 102.397

21 23 Long/ Bergmeister Alex Job Racing / Porsche Crawford 01:59.4 98.589


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Lap of LRP in my '08M3 on stock tires in my sig. Certainly could have trimmed a bit off my lap times if I turned off the DSC, but first time out with the car I was VERY impressed with its abilities.
I am not surprised with the results from VIR...the M3 is a potent track weapon.
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Note the M3's time from the 08 Lightning Lap comparo was a DCT car run in auto because it was before the software updates fixing the downshift problem. May have cost it a little bit of time.
In comparing the M3's slower time to the CTS-V, C&D stated it this way:

"But the real difference was the M3's automated manual gearbox, which didn't want to downshift on command, and our best lap was achieved while driving the car in pure automatic mode."

As some of you know, C&D went on to say in the February issue where it pitted the M3 DCT against the 997 C2 PDK the following:

"The M3 M DCT simply does everything well except tow a hot dog stand. It may even be the second-best car in the world after the M3 manual."
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Keep in mind that these results are for VIR and do not necessarily imdicate that the cars would finish in the same order on another track.

VIR is a good indication of how a car will perform on the road because there are some long straights, some tight turns and several elevation changes. On this type of track acceleration and braking performance (along with handling and cornering) are very important.

On a track lime Lime Rock (my home track) which in the "Classic"" configurtion is more of a "momentum" track a good deal of the course can be taken flat out. There is little threshold braking and acceleration is not as important. I don't have lap time comparisons for Lime Rock but it would be an interesting comparison.

Here is a video of lap of VIR in a supercharged Miata.



And these are the lap times for the starting grid at VIR for the 2007 Rolex Grand American Road Racing Series.


Pos No. Driver Team Time Speed
1 75 Braun/ Papis Krohn Racing / Pontiac Riley 01:45.0 112.111
2 99 Fogarty/ Gurney Gainsco/ Bob Stallings Racing / Pontiac Riley 01:45.2 111.951
3 58 Donohue/ Law Red Bull/ Brumos Porsche / Porsche Riley 01:45.7 111.39
4 1 Pruett/ Rojas TELMEX Chip Ganassi with Felix Sabates / Lexus Riley 01:45.7 111.362
5 10 Taylor/ Angelelli/ Magnussen SunTrust Racing / Pontiac Riley 01:45.8 111.277

6 61 Frisselle/ Wilkins/ Frisselle AIM Autosport / Lexus Riley 01:46.3 110.733
7 6 Frisselle/ James Michael Shank Racing / Lexus Riley 01:46.5 110.586
8 77 Gidley/ Goeters Feeds The Need/ Doran Racing / Ford Doran 01:47.1 109.902
9 11 Dalziel/ Dumoulin SAMAX / Pontiac Riley 01:47.2 109.815
10 19 Finlay/ Valiante Chip Ganassi with Felix Sabates / Lexus Riley 01:47.4 109.585

11 59 Haywood/ France Brumos Porsche/ Kendall / Porsche Riley 01:47.8 109.165
12 39 Fittipaldi/ Brix Cheever Racing / Porsche Fabcar 01:47.9 109.141
13 91 Matthews/ Goossens Riley-Matthews Motorsports / Pontiac Riley 01:48.4 108.638
14 60 Patterson/ Negri Jr Michael Shank Racing / Lexus Riley 01:48.5 108.508
15 5 Auberlen/ Alhadeff Luggage Express Team Sigalsport BMW / BMW Riley 01:48.8 108.209

16 76 Krohn/ Jonsson Krohn Racing / Pontiac Riley 01:48.9 108.083
17 53 Constantine/ Borkowski/ Murry Playboy Racing/ Unitech / Infiniti Riley 01:49.6 107.395
18 3 Lewis/ Ruhlman Southard Motorsports / Lexus Riley 01:49.9 107.104
19 16 Dyson/ Dyson Howard Motorsports / Porsche Crawford 01:51.9 105.229
20 12 Schramm/ Bell RVO Motorsports / Pontiac Riley 01:55.0 102.397

21 23 Long/ Bergmeister Alex Job Racing / Porsche Crawford 01:59.4 98.589


Virginia International Raceway


Classic Lime Rock (Black)
The gray areas are are work in progress. Only the New Uphill and the New West Bend are complete.

3 of the top 5 DP cars are Pontiac powered. Hmmm. I believe that those were the LS1 cars and not the LS2 but no 100% sure.

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