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      09-27-2009, 05:15 AM   #23
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Is that a euphemism for terrorists specifically or any group of cold blooded killers?
Well, the IDF couldn't really be considered a "resistance movement," could it? Although they could be considered terrorists.


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Yes, we should all open our minds to strapping explosives to children so they can kill civilians by blowing themselves up.
No, we should open our mind to creating the largest refugee population in the world & subsequently engaging in the cruel & systematic oppression of said populace. Then call them "terrorists" when they fight back, because their bombs are in backpacks and not in F-16s.
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Well, the IDF couldn't really be considered a "resistance movement," could it? Although they could be considered terrorists.
No, the IDF is the military force of a sovereign state. Were the IDF to engage in the same massive systematic targeting of civilians as does HAMAS, there would be no Arabs left Gaza.


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No, we should open our mind to creating the largest refugee population in the world & subsequently engaging in the cruel & systematic oppression of said populace. Then call them "terrorists" when they fight back, because their bombs are in backpacks and not in F-16s.
If you want to look for someone to blame for the "refugees," the place to look is Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia ... All the Arabs who rejected the UN Partition plan and attacked Israel. The fact that they lost (repeatedly) and failed to assimilate their 'brother Arabs' into their own populations as the Jews that fled the Arab states did in Israel is what caused the "refugee" problem. Interesting how the call for an independent state on the West Bank and Gaza only became an Arab cause when the Arabs in Jordan and Egypt lost those areas 1967.

They are not called terrorists because their bombs are in backpacks but because they use those bombs to target non-combatants. Putting on a uniform and detonating yourself with the aim to kill soldiers of a military force engaged in military activity against you is not terrorism.. Strapping a bomb to your child and sending him into a market crowded with civilians is.
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No, the IDF is the military force
Which doesn't preclude them from being cold blooded killers. In fact, those two things go hand in hand.

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of a sovereign state.
Yeah, it's really the Palestinians' fault that they don't have a sovereign state. Right?

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Were the IDF to engage in the same massive systematic targeting of civilians as does HAMAS, there would be no Arabs left Gaza.
Uh, if you think Hamas targets civilians on a "massive scale," then you should face up to the fact that there will be no Israel within 50 years, since if that were true, sheer numbers would ensure that the entire population of Israel is wiped out by Hamas & its supporters.

Who do you think has killed more civilians in the past 10 years of conflict between Israelis and Palestinians - the IDF or Hamas?

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If you want to look for someone to blame for the "refugees," the place to look is Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia ... All the Arabs who rejected the UN Partition plan and attacked Israel. The fact that they lost (repeatedly) and failed to assimilate their 'brother Arabs' into their own populations as the Jews that fled the Arab states did in Israel is what caused the "refugee" problem. Interesting how the call for an independent state on the West Bank and Gaza only became an Arab cause when the Arabs in Jordan and Egypt lost those areas 1967.
Firstly, all of those countries (especially Jordan) took in a large # of refugees. Secondly, how does the fact that refugees were displaced and not taken into neighboring countries change the fact that it was Israel that displaced them out of their homes to begin with?

"Oh, it would've been fine that they got kicked out of their homes, it was just those asshole neighbors of theirs that caused a problem by not taking them in."

Are you telling me if your neighbor on the left side walked into your home and kicked you out into the street, the whole situation would be the fault of your neighbor on the right side if he didn't take you in?

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They are not called terrorists because their bombs are in backpacks but because they use those bombs to target non-combatants. Putting on a uniform and detonating yourself with the aim to kill soldiers of a military force engaged in military activity against you is not terrorism.. Strapping a bomb to your child and sending him into a market crowded with civilians is.
Again, who's killed more civilians in the past 10 years - the IDF or Hamas?
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Yeah, it's really the Palestinians' fault that they don't have a sovereign state. Right?
Exactly who was it that rejected the UN partition plan?

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Uh, if you think Hamas targets civilians on a "massive scale," then you should face up to the fact that there will be no Israel within 50 years, since if that were true, sheer numbers would ensure that the entire population of Israel is wiped out by Hamas & its supporters.
I don't think they target civilians on a massive scale, they admit to it. They laud and honor those who target civilians. They launch unguided rockets against civilian population centers. So suddenly Israel is threatened by being outnumbered? When in its history has it NOT been outnumbered.

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Firstly, all of those countries (especially Jordan) took in a large # of refugees. Secondly, how does the fact that refugees were displaced and not taken into neighboring countries change the fact that it was Israel that displaced them out of their homes to begin with?
The refugees left because they were in a war zone. Israel did not start the war, the Arabs did. Blaming Israel for people leaving their homes as a result of Israel being attacked is just crazy. Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, ... should have not only accepted these people who left their homes because of their actions, they should have assimilated them into their societies. How is it that there are still refugee camps in these nations 60 years after the war? The people in them now are not refugees but the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of refugees.

Contrast this with the Jews who were displaced by the Arab nations. Not many refugee camps in Israel full of Jews are there?
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Yes, we should all open our minds to strapping explosives to children so they can kill civilians by blowing themselves up.
oh yes! splendid! I think I will dress my kids up as human bombs for halloween! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tired of hearing how bad American's and Israeli's are. Hamas is to blame!



As for people not understanding that Palestinians use them self as human shields here are two videos of the millions available online:



Propoganda swallowed hook, line and sinker. Support to kill another populace is gained by purporting the target to be inhuman.

The strategy is as old as war is.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad

"Among the departments of the Mossad is the Special Operations Division or '"Metsada" (see Kidon), which is involved in assassination, paramilitary operations, sabotage, and psychological warfare.[2]

Psychological warfare is also a concern of the Lochamah Psichologit Department, which conducts propaganda and deception activities as well.[2]"
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