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      12-20-2008, 12:19 PM   #1
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Canon 5D Mark II vs. the original 5D

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I am a Canon guy and have the D30 right now. I have a couple of L series lenses - namely the EF 24-70mm f2.8 and the EF 70-300 IS f4 in addition to non-L series EF lenses.

I want a full frame camera and was thinking of the 5D. The Mark II has an issue with shadows around bright images. There is not a huge price difference between the 2. the Mark II sells for around C$3K and the original one for around C$2.2K.

So - should I wait for them to work out the troubles with the Mark II or do you guys think that 21.9 megapixels is an overkill and get the original 5D. The reason I ask is because having 21.9 megapixel images with take much more hard drive space and I am not making billboards....
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Did you have like 6 tabs open and you clicked on the wrong forum to post this? This question has been beaten to death here http://photography-on-the.net/forum/

This is a car forum...

In my opinion the 5d Mark II or any 5d is a toy compared to the 1d. Given my statement I have a 1ds-mark III. Full frames are great for taking landscape pictures. If you want to make huge prints I would go with a full frame but a crop camera would be sufficient IF YOU WERE TAKING PICTURES OF JUST CARS.

EDIT: Saw this in the picture sharing section and posted b4 it was moved.
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Did you have like 6 tabs open and you clicked on the wrong forum to post this? This question has been beaten to death here http://photography-on-the.net/forum/

This is a car forum...

In my opinion the 5d Mark II or any 5d is a toy compared to the 1d. Given my statement I have a 1ds-mark III. Full frames are great for taking landscape pictures. If you want to make huge prints I would go with a full frame but a crop camera would be sufficient IF YOU WERE TAKING PICTURES OF JUST CARS.

EDIT: Saw this in the picture sharing section and posted b4 it was moved.
Sorry - my bad about posting in the wrong forum. I did not have multiple tabs on. I was making the post and then had a phone call. Computer went into screensaver and then screen off. Came back and completed the post - can't explain why it went into the picture forum..... Once again - my apologies.

I did a google search and did not find many comparisons. I know that a couple of guys know a lot more than I in the photography section. I also did a search here before posting. I will check out the link. I will check out the link you kindly posted.

I photograph cars, landscapes, women, wildlife (just ordered the 100-400mm L series lens), flowers, as well as family get-togethers. I will keep the D30 as a backup. I do not make billboards and thus I feel that 21.9 megapixels may be overkill.
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I'd sure get the new 5D mkII if it's not that much more than the original 5D. The new one has awesome ISO performance, 1080p video and a great 3" screen. Basicly newer and better.
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Go for a second hand 5D. Should save enough money to invest in new glass also.

If you are actually making your money from photography, go for the mkII or if you REALLY need the video rec then go for the new version.

No point in a 1D or 1Ds since you will spend more time setting up your Cfn's.

I still shoot with a 5D classic and price vs performance (especially now). Nothing comes close. I wouldnt even trade a classic for a 1Ds.
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Did you have like 6 tabs open and you clicked on the wrong forum to post this? This question has been beaten to death here http://photography-on-the.net/forum/

This is a car forum...

In my opinion the 5d Mark II or any 5d is a toy compared to the 1d. Given my statement I have a 1ds-mark III. Full frames are great for taking landscape pictures. If you want to make huge prints I would go with a full frame but a crop camera would be sufficient IF YOU WERE TAKING PICTURES OF JUST CARS.

EDIT: Saw this in the picture sharing section and posted b4 it was moved.
Im a member there also, will look out for pics. Edit : You have an XTi if you user name is the same. :P
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Hi guys,

I am a Canon guy and have the D30 right now.
you're a canon guy but you don't even know you have a 30D not a D30...

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      12-21-2008, 07:16 AM   #9
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you're a canon guy but you don't even know you have a 30D not a D30...

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Canon made a D30 (released in 2000) and a 30D (released in 2006). Both take EF lenses, so he could have either one.

Enfield,
With that said, I just got the 5D MKII and I like it so far. The 21MP is definately pimpin'. For your purposes though, I'd look at a 5D. I'm selling mine, PM me if interested.
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you're a canon guy but you don't even know you have a 30D not a D30...

????
Thank you for pointing out that I put the "D" in the wrong place. I appreciate the correction. By stating that I am a "Canon guy" all I meant was that I was not going to get a Nikon - so that this did not become a Canon vs. Nikon debate like the 6MT vs. M-DCT debates. I did not mean that I own Canon (as in the owner of the company) or that I am an expert. Sounds like you are an expert - so how about contributing an answer to my question please....


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Canon made a D30 (released in 2000) and a 30D (released in 2006). Both take EF lenses, so he could have either one.

Enfield,
With that said, I just got the 5D MKII and I like it so far. The 21MP is definately pimpin'. For your purposes though, I'd look at a 5D. I'm selling mine, PM me if interested.
I think I am going to wait a few months so that Canon figure out a cure to the 'black dot' issue since I do a lot of shooting in low light conditions. This article explain the issue: http://www.electronista.com/articles....ii.black.dot/


Thank you everyone for your opinions and also on the constructive feedback on how posted on the wrong forum (I am sure that I am the only one to have ever done this in the history of the world) and that I put the 'D' in the wrong place.
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Thank you for pointing out that I put the "D" in the wrong place. I appreciate the correction. By stating that I am a "Canon guy" all I meant was that I was not going to get a Nikon - so that this did not become a Canon vs. Nikon debate like the 6MT vs. M-DCT debates. I did not mean that I own Canon (as in the owner of the company) or that I am an expert. Sounds like you are an expert - so how about contributing an answer to my question please....
no i kinda find this thread insulting as a photography student who doesn't have money flowing out of their ass for a brand new 5D MkII or a few L lenses (like its no big deal), you obviously don't care to learn much do you, are you just some guy who has $ lying around and wants to buy the newest expenisve toy but have absolutely no clue how to use it? Cuz thats how you are coming off to me in the this thread.

I'm not claiming nor have I ever claimed to be an expert but at least I know the difference in a d30 and a 30d.
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no i kinda find this thread insulting as a photography student who doesn't have money flowing out of their ass for a brand new 5D MkII or a few L lenses (like its no big deal), you obviously don't care to learn much do you, are you just some guy who has $ lying around and wants to buy the newest expenisve toy but have absolutely no clue how to use it? Cuz thats how you are coming off to me in the this thread.

I'm not claiming nor have I ever claimed to be an expert but at least I know the difference in a d30 and a 30d.
I have no intention of insulting anyone - including you. I have already apologized for putting the "D" in the wrong place. It was an error. Please forgive me.

I did my student thing. Been there and worked hard. Made many sacrifices. You are starting on that path as a student. I wish you good luck and I wish you the best for the future.

Please do not judge people on whether they have money or are dirt poor. We are all Homo sapiens and we are all the same irrespective of colour, religion (or lack of), creed, sex, finances etc.

In closing - I would like to apologize if I insulted you. That was not my intent.

Now what colour should I get for that darn Ferrari? Kidding - above my pay grade.
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Look, I think this is getting out of hand. The original question I think is valid. If people want to spend money on something, so be it.

Back to the topic, both of them are great bodies and the 5D classic is by far not dated. The ISO handling up to 3200 is fantastic and well controlled.

ISO 800 (no noise reduction)


ISO3200 (no noise reduction)


Both taken with the 85 1.8 so not an L lens.

Its a weapon of choice for most wedding photographers for a reason, its ISO handling is stunning and serves its purpose. The only things which is does not have vs the II is the higher ISO range (not that important with a good set of primes), video rec (not important when I want to take photos) and sensor cleaning which I prefer to do manually since its far more effective.
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Look, I think this is getting out of hand. The original question I think is valid. If people want to spend money on something, so be it.

Back to the topic, both of them are great bodies and the 5D classic is by far not dated. The ISO handling up to 3200 is fantastic and well controlled.

ISO 800 (no noise reduction)


ISO3200 (no noise reduction)


Both taken with the 85 1.8 so not an L lens.

Its a weapon of choice for most wedding photographers for a reason, its ISO handling is stunning and serves its purpose. The only things which is does not have vs the II is the higher ISO range (not that important with a good set of primes), video rec (not important when I want to take photos) and sensor cleaning which I prefer to do manually since its far more effective.

Those low light photos turned out pretty good only because of the f1.8 lenses. It would look different if it was a f2.8. Because the focus range is so short, you wouldn't need any L lenses for great results.
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Those low light photos turned out pretty good only because of the f1.8 lenses. It would look different if it was a f2.8. Because the focus range is so short, you wouldn't need any L lenses for great results.
Not true. I shoot 2.8, 4 and up to f/8 for low light work on any lens. The samples were using a non-L and high ISO as an example of its ISO handling, not lens capability.

The only thing the differentiates photos from a 1.8 to a 2.8 is depth which is not what im trying to show in these photos. The comparison here is between a 5D classic and a II. Im showing the poster that how well the 5D classic still performs.
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Not true. I shoot 2.8, 4 and up to f/8 for low light work on any lens. The samples were using a non-L and high ISO as an example of its ISO handling, not lens capability.

The only thing the differentiates photos from a 1.8 to a 2.8 is depth which is not what im trying to show in these photos. The comparison here is between a 5D classic and a II. Im showing the poster that how well the 5D classic still performs.
The 5DmkII has about a 1 1/3 stop advantage over the 5D, but to show anything, you need to do 100% crops of the same photo. These comparisons at this small resolution don't mean much.
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In my opinion the 5d Mark II or any 5d is a toy compared to the 1d. Given my statement I have a 1ds-mark III. Full frames are great for taking landscape pictures. If you want to make huge prints I would go with a full frame but a crop camera would be sufficient IF YOU WERE TAKING PICTURES OF JUST CARS.
1. The Canon 1DsMKIII and Nikon D3X no longer make sense at their crazy 8K price point. Many pros are realizing this and getting 2 5Ds or 2 D700s for cheaper. IMHO, the only need for a 1Ds or D3X is if you really need dual card support, faster AF off-center point, and better weather sealing. Otherwise, it's hard to justify the 5K more. I had numerous Canon DSLRs over the years - from the 10D - 1DsMKII (and 1DMKIII) as well as the Nikon D3. The winner these days is the 5DMKII / D700 with primes.

2. Full frame is not just for landscapes. Full frame allows for shallower DOF, use of wide angles in non-landscape situations, etc. There's a lot more to it. I've shot events/weddings/sports before, and full frame is the way to go.
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no i kinda find this thread insulting as a photography student who doesn't have money flowing out of their ass for a brand new 5D MkII or a few L lenses (like its no big deal), you obviously don't care to learn much do you, are you just some guy who has $ lying around and wants to buy the newest expenisve toy but have absolutely no clue how to use it? Cuz thats how you are coming off to me in the this thread.

I'm not claiming nor have I ever claimed to be an expert but at least I know the difference in a d30 and a 30d.
about the rudest and most uncalled for post I've read this wonderful eve.
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heres the thing though.. with photography its sometimes better to get the best you can afford rather than what your skill can actually use at the moment. if you can afford a L lens, you'll keep it for pretty much forever if you picked the right focal length and aperture for your needs... same with bodies. a 5d mkii might be a tad excessive for the needs of just a hobbyist, but if they want to do portraits, weddings and stuff like that its a great choice that you wont get tired of soon (well, until the 1dmk4 is announced lol)
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Did you have like 6 tabs open and you clicked on the wrong forum to post this? This question has been beaten to death here http://photography-on-the.net/forum/

This is a car forum...

In my opinion the 5d Mark II or any 5d is a toy compared to the 1d. Given my statement I have a 1ds-mark III. Full frames are great for taking landscape pictures. If you want to make huge prints I would go with a full frame but a crop camera would be sufficient IF YOU WERE TAKING PICTURES OF JUST CARS.

EDIT: Saw this in the picture sharing section and posted b4 it was moved.
god damn youre an asshole; even with that edit.
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In my opinion the 5d Mark II or any 5d is a toy compared to the 1d. Given my statement I have a 1ds-mark III. Full frames are great for taking landscape pictures. If you want to make huge prints I would go with a full frame but a crop camera would be sufficient IF YOU WERE TAKING PICTURES OF JUST CARS.
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