E92 M3 Factory Alignment Specifications and Ride Height - Page 2

Radiation Joe · 03-27-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

Also, I've read mixed reports on pulling out the pin--if the pin even exists or not on the E9X M3. So, does it exist? And, is the -1.3 max negative camber people are reporting obtained with or without pulling out the pin?

When I had my car aligned at stock height, I asked to have the pin removed and when the service was done I had 1.3 degrees negative camber in front.

lucid · 03-27-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

When I had my car aligned at stock height, I asked to have the pin removed and when the service was done I had 1.3 degrees negative camber in front.

Thanks for the info. I guess that means you'll get the max 2 degrees with the Dinan camber plates only if you have the pin pulled.

Radiation Joe · 03-27-2009, 08:16 PM

I ran 2.25 negative on my e46 with no problems for several years. No abnormal wear. I ran -1.5 in the rear and still wore out the insides first. Got a little less than 10k miles out of the rears and around 20k out of the fronts. Pretty normal for these cars I think. This is why I'm running 265s on four corners now. So I can rotate the tires.

rzm3 · 03-27-2009, 09:25 PM

After 2000+ posts, I finally made a sticky-worthy thread

rzm3 · 03-27-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PencilGeek

Now you're banned for being cocky about it.

lucid · 03-28-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rzm3

After 2000+ posts, I finally made a sticky-worthy thread

I made over 5000 posts, but still do not have a sticky-worthy thread.

Anyway, good idea to stick this thread.

I'll post more info on the Dinan springs + camber plates after I get them installed. Currently scheduled for 4/14.

Jimmer · 07-01-2009, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lucid

I made over 5000 posts, but still do not have a sticky-worthy thread.

Anyway, good idea to stick this thread.

I'll post more info on the Dinan springs + camber plates after I get them installed. Currently scheduled for 4/14.

Any info on your Dinan Springs and camber plates? I'm getting my camber plates re-installed next week after they went on the first time but not set up properly and made the car really loose.
The dealer wants to know what set up I want and I have no idea what to tell them. Can I get some help? What camber are you running up front and rear for track and street? Does anything else change (toe, etc) or does everything else remain stock?

Thanks so much!

bobbyd1961 · 07-01-2009, 04:59 AM

is that at 3200 mile ? my dealer didnt mention this service at all . i will check the manual

RickyBobby · 07-12-2009, 10:42 PM

Here is a handy conversion chart for converting minutes to inches for those that like to check alignments at home. It looks like the 10' toe that BMW lists is approx 1/16" toe in.

STALKER · 03-25-2010, 04:18 PM

Can we get members to post their alignment specs here as well, especially those that are lowered or with more aggressive non factory specs.
Thanks.

kmac1980 · 05-11-2010, 09:09 AM

here are my alignment specs, before is after eibach pro-kit install, after is after alignment:

here are my alignment specs:

BEFORE:
LF -1.2deg camber, 0.0mm toe, 6.9deg caster
RF -1.7deg camber, 1.9mm toe, 6.5deg caster
LR -1.7deg camber, 4.3mm toe
RR -2.0deg camber, 4.3mm toe

AFTER:
LF -1.2deg camber, 0.6mm toe, 6.9deg caster
RF -1.7deg camber, 1.2mm toe, 6.5deg caster
LR -1.7deg camber, 1.2mm toe
RR -1.9deg camber, 1.2mm toe

Do these looks normal to those who know something about this?

thx

GewoW · 06-21-2010, 01:00 AM

Sorry I am new to this - and have 2 questions:

1- wouldn't you want to have the same amount of everything on both sides? or because of the driver's weight you would need less neg camber up front or something?

2- what are these pins everyone is referring to?

jhsu · 06-21-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GewoW

Sorry I am new to this - and have 2 questions:

1- wouldn't you want to have the same amount of everything on both sides? or because of the driver's weight you would need less neg camber up front or something?

2- what are these pins everyone is referring to?

There are specified tolerances for each setting, so they don't have to match exactly to be good. Also I'm assuming that the settings differ from L/R to take into account driver weight. For example, camber on the left side will increase with someone in the drivers seat. I think a good alignment shop will take this into account.

ImStig · 08-09-2010, 02:39 AM

Can anyone post the ZCP alignment specs?

Sedan_Clan · 12-26-2010, 03:01 PM

Great thread! I'd like to see more alignment specs before/after lowering. What is the OEM M3 camber adjustment range? I want to make sure that I can stay within spec with H&R or GC springs.

adams · 06-03-2011, 12:02 PM

to echo prior questions:

1) what are those pins everyone is talking about

2) what is the factory comp package suspension/camber settings, and what is the max you can get of the factory suspension... and by factory I am talking about the competition package -10mm suspension

Thanks !

Singletrack · 06-24-2011, 04:00 PM

It's not that I don't trust rzm3, it's that I don't trust BMW : ) Has anyone confirmed these specs again? Reason I ask is that the computer printout the dealer handed me showed a totally different range for the M3.

The TIS scan in the first post shows the following:

F Camber 0.9-1.3
R Camber 1.33-1.57

The dealer printout shows:

F Camber -0.8 to -1.5
R Camber -1.6 to -2.0

I think the rear camber on the above TIS is incorrect. Can anyone confirm? I think I just screwed up my alignment as a result.

TIA!

alaskanrb · 01-26-2012, 09:41 AM

nice

rzm3 · 01-26-2012, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Singletrack

It's not that I don't trust rzm3, it's that I don't trust BMW : ) Has anyone confirmed these specs again? Reason I ask is that the computer printout the dealer handed me showed a totally different range for the M3.

The TIS scan in the first post shows the following:

F Camber 0.9-1.3
R Camber 1.33-1.57

The dealer printout shows:

F Camber -0.8 to -1.5
R Camber -1.6 to -2.0

I think the rear camber on the above TIS is incorrect. Can anyone confirm? I think I just screwed up my alignment as a result.

TIA!

check your units

the printout here is in degrees and minutes.

Malek · 01-27-2012, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GewoW

Sorry I am new to this - and have 2 questions:

1- wouldn't you want to have the same amount of everything on both sides? or because of the driver's weight you would need less neg camber up front or something?

2- what are these pins everyone is referring to?

BMW recommends to load up the chassis with a specific amount of weight in specified spots with a full tank of fuel before aligned.

68kg on each of the front seats, 20kg luggage in trunk and 40kg of weight on the center of the rear seats.

If aligning with ONLY a driver in the car, then the alignment settings will not be the same without a driver inside the car when static. Alignments should be performed with a decent amount of fuel inside the car.

BMW9 · 02-01-2012, 01:40 AM

....what about the comp pack? any difference in alignment settings?

iAmCoolguY · 03-08-2012, 07:46 PM

If I just want to do the OEM spec, can I just let any shops to perform the wheel alignment if I show them the OEM spec's print out or I should take the car to the shop who is specialize in after market suspension and wheel alignment field.

I heard some shops near my area has good rating for their wheel alignment work but the charge is high compares to firestone's life time wheel alignment. How much does everyone paid for your wheel alignment for E90-E93 here?

03-27-2009, 09:25 PM	#26
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07-12-2009, 10:42 PM	#31
RickyBobby Lieutenant Drives: M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NorCal Posts: 400 iTrader: (1)	Here is a handy conversion chart for converting minutes to inches for those that like to check alignments at home. It looks like the 10' toe that BMW lists is approx 1/16" toe in. Attached Images

03-25-2010, 04:18 PM	#32
STALKER Brigadier General Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 3,407 iTrader: (5)	Can we get members to post their alignment specs here as well, especially those that are lowered or with more aggressive non factory specs. Thanks. __________________ 2008 AW/FR E90 M3-SOLD 2013 991 C4S-Produced, but not delivered.

06-21-2010, 01:00 AM	#34
GewoW #thatsanicemovebro Drives: E92 M3 LSB/Black 6MT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 3,725 iTrader: (3) Garage List 2011 BMW M3 [4.63]	Sorry I am new to this - and have 2 questions: 1- wouldn't you want to have the same amount of everything on both sides? or because of the driver's weight you would need less neg camber up front or something? 2- what are these pins everyone is referring to? __________________ vv Click for more pics vv Track Vids: http://www.youtube.com/gewow

08-09-2010, 02:39 AM	#36
ImStig Private First Class Drives: Acura TL 04 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 106 iTrader: (0)	Can anyone post the ZCP alignment specs? __________________ 2004 Acura TL (Current) 2000 E46 323i (Sold 2007) "Some say, he has a stripy top, just like mine" - James May

03-27-2009, 08:16 PM	#25
Radiation Joe Veni Vidi Vici Drives: '11 JB/BBe-6sp-e90 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Macungie PA Posts: 2,674 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2003 RS6 - Sold [0.00] 2011 e90 M3 [4.25] 2009 e90 M3 - Gone [0.00] 2003 M3 SOLD [0.00] old 2002 [5.00]	I ran 2.25 negative on my e46 with no problems for several years. No abnormal wear. I ran -1.5 in the rear and still wore out the insides first. Got a little less than 10k miles out of the rears and around 20k out of the fronts. Pretty normal for these cars I think. This is why I'm running 265s on four corners now. So I can rotate the tires.

07-01-2009, 04:59 AM	#30
bobbyd1961 Banned Drives: 2009 M3 sedan LeMans Blue Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: new jersey Posts: 2,414 iTrader: (0)	is that at 3200 mile ? my dealer didnt mention this service at all . i will check the manual

05-11-2010, 09:09 AM	#33
kmac1980 Major Drives: '11 535xi, (former '08 M3) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: toronto Posts: 1,028 iTrader: (1)	here are my alignment specs, before is after eibach pro-kit install, after is after alignment: here are my alignment specs: BEFORE: LF -1.2deg camber, 0.0mm toe, 6.9deg caster RF -1.7deg camber, 1.9mm toe, 6.5deg caster LR -1.7deg camber, 4.3mm toe RR -2.0deg camber, 4.3mm toe AFTER: LF -1.2deg camber, 0.6mm toe, 6.9deg caster RF -1.7deg camber, 1.2mm toe, 6.5deg caster LR -1.7deg camber, 1.2mm toe RR -1.9deg camber, 1.2mm toe Do these looks normal to those who know something about this? thx

12-26-2010, 03:01 PM	#37
Sedan_Clan Capoeirista Extraordinaire! Drives: AW E92 M3 (prev. an E90 IB M3) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Twilight Zone! Or running your plates... Posts: 4,433 iTrader: (10)	Great thread! I'd like to see more alignment specs before/after lowering. What is the OEM M3 camber adjustment range? I want to make sure that I can stay within spec with H&R or GC springs.

06-03-2011, 12:02 PM	#38
adams Registered Drives: 2011 M3 comp package Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: los angeles Posts: 3 iTrader: (0)	to echo prior questions: 1) what are those pins everyone is talking about 2) what is the factory comp package suspension/camber settings, and what is the max you can get of the factory suspension... and by factory I am talking about the competition package -10mm suspension Thanks !

06-24-2011, 04:00 PM	#39
Singletrack 4th down; 4th quarter? Renegade. Drives: 09 SSII E92 M3; 12 AW X5d Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 3,800 iTrader: (3)	It's not that I don't trust rzm3, it's that I don't trust BMW : ) Has anyone confirmed these specs again? Reason I ask is that the computer printout the dealer handed me showed a totally different range for the M3. The TIS scan in the first post shows the following: F Camber 0.9-1.3 R Camber 1.33-1.57 The dealer printout shows: F Camber -0.8 to -1.5 R Camber -1.6 to -2.0 I think the rear camber on the above TIS is incorrect. Can anyone confirm? I think I just screwed up my alignment as a result. TIA! __________________ Singletrack's M3 iND/Singletrack's X5d Last edited by Singletrack; 06-24-2011 at 11:06 PM.

01-26-2012, 09:41 AM	#40
alaskanrb New Member Drives: 2009 m3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: phoenix,az Posts: 7 iTrader: (0)	nice

02-01-2012, 01:40 AM	#43
BMW9 Private Drives: BMW 550i M Sport / Nissan GTR Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 65 iTrader: (0)	....what about the comp pack? any difference in alignment settings?

03-08-2012, 07:46 PM	#44
iAmCoolguY Private Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Sedan Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: California Posts: 53 iTrader: (0)	If I just want to do the OEM spec, can I just let any shops to perform the wheel alignment if I show them the OEM spec's print out or I should take the car to the shop who is specialize in after market suspension and wheel alignment field. I heard some shops near my area has good rating for their wheel alignment work but the charge is high compares to firestone's life time wheel alignment. How much does everyone paid for your wheel alignment for E90-E93 here?

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