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      11-27-2008, 05:31 AM   #23
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interesting..i cant wait to see new x6 M!
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      11-27-2008, 05:43 AM   #24
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This is great news, makes my M3 that much more special. The only M3 to have a high rev NA V8, man this might become a collector's item. But to those who have not been able to enjoy the S65, here is what you are missing: Throttle response. Enjoy your laggy turbos! LOL
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      11-27-2008, 09:00 AM   #25
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NA > FI. sorry fanboys. NA is just less that can go wrong and raw power is very desirable to many...after all, that's how the M division has been for eternity. i think this is a ludicrous move on bmw's part. yes, i know you can tune your turbos to a gazillion psi, etc. but that just opens the door for more trouble and maintenance. i'm going to miss NA engines in these cars because that's what makes them so good. what about the track? that's the M car's habitat. 335's already have issues on hot days at the track, i can only imagine what it'll be like with a monster TT V8. it's a damn shame.
Welcome to the "new age" of sports cars, where more power (via F/I, whether TT or S/C) meets higher efficiency. As the world begins to really try to become more fuel efficient and less dependent on oil/gas, auto mfgr's must lead/follow or get out the way. Look at the Chevy ZR1 (basically a s/c'd Z06) and the Nissan GT-R (TT v6). I applaud BMW for also leading the way, beginning with the highly acclaimed and awarded N54 engine. Now, they also have the TT V8 to play with; this is an exciting time for BMW and its customers!!!!

Sorry, but your N/A M3's engine will soon be replaced by an F/I engine; just trade up when that happens, and you'll be singing a different tune so to speak.
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This is great news, makes my M3 that much more special. The only M3 to have a high rev NA V8, man this might become a collector's item. But to those who have not been able to enjoy the S65, here is what you are missing: Throttle response. Enjoy your laggy turbos! LOL
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NA > FI. sorry fanboys. NA is just less that can go wrong and raw power is very desirable to many...after all, that's how the M division has been for eternity. i think this is a ludicrous move on bmw's part. yes, i know you can tune your turbos to a gazillion psi, etc. but that just opens the door for more trouble and maintenance. i'm going to miss NA engines in these cars because that's what makes them so good. what about the track? that's the M car's habitat. 335's already have issues on hot days at the track, i can only imagine what it'll be like with a monster TT V8. it's a damn shame.

+1. FI cars are going to inherently have more problems and way more post warranty issues. Burned up turbos at 60-70k mi. Just wait. There will be whistling turbos with burned out bearings all over the place.

They may make less CO2 but the long term costs are gonna shock the shit out of some people.

2 more years and the time bombs will start going off.

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      11-27-2008, 10:20 AM   #28
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This is great news, makes my M3 that much more special. The only M3 to have a high rev NA V8, man this might become a collector's item. But to those who have not been able to enjoy the S65, here is what you are missing: Throttle response. Enjoy your laggy turbos! LOL
Though I am fully enjoying my M3v8 I can't agree that it's more enjoyable than a torquey FI engined beast. In fact for the majority of my driving I would chose the latter.

Also your opinion of most modern FI engine is not an accurate one, the lag is not an issue anymore, though there are still some exception. I know it's a bit out of the league of the M3 engine in terms of power & torque but if you got a drive in the new RS6 I reckon you would swiftly be won over to the dark side.

The only problem I see with turbo engines especially is when you chose to tune them for much greater output than stock, than this lag you talk about can become an annoyance.
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      11-27-2008, 10:43 AM   #29
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Seriously, the exclusiveness that made an M car an M car is gone. It's going the AMG route now..available for all model.
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+1. FI cars are going to inherently have more problems and way more post warranty issues. Burned up turbos at 60-70k mi. Just wait. There will be whistling turbos with burned out bearings all over the place.

They may make less CO2 but the long term costs are gonna shock the shit out of some people.

2 more years and the time bombs will start going off.

NA forever
I believe these M3 guys are only saying this sh!t b/c they just spent >$70k on an N/A M3 that cannot be easily and inexpensively modded for high gains which will be soon replaced by a F/I tt M3 that can be easily and inexpensively modded for high gains. And, they are PISSED!!! First it was tuned 335i's beating M3's in a straight line for ~ $15k less, and now this. I can't really blame though; I would be mad too, but then again, I chose the F/I twin turbo 335i.
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      11-27-2008, 10:59 AM   #31
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They're all following Mercedes lead..........

Lexus is gonna make GS-F, LS-F, ES-F, etc.........
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      11-27-2008, 11:02 AM   #32
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They're all following Mercedes lead..........

Lexus is gonna make GS-F, LS-F, ES-F, etc.........
I like your sig, NaTuReB0Y...very funny.
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I like your sig, NaTuReB0Y...very funny.
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      11-27-2008, 01:18 PM   #34
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wow...so they really are making an M X6 and X5...I was hoping that they will cancel them too...now that the word is out , so next year huh? the sooner the better , I cant wait for M suvs and savs.....oh yeah they are going with mercedes for sure , they are increasing torque , its going to be much more fun
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      11-27-2008, 01:42 PM   #35
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I think its a good move to go to FI. Because really to get any real performance gains out of an M motor is to go FI anyway. I had an e46 M3 and you could put every possible bolt on they ever created with software and you may net maybe 30 more hp. FI is the only way your gonna have a fast car with decent mpg.
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      11-27-2008, 02:15 PM   #36
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NA > FI. sorry fanboys. NA is just less that can go wrong and raw power is very desirable to many...after all, that's how the M division has been for eternity. i think this is a ludicrous move on bmw's part. yes, i know you can tune your turbos to a gazillion psi, etc. but that just opens the door for more trouble and maintenance. i'm going to miss NA engines in these cars because that's what makes them so good. what about the track? that's the M car's habitat. 335's already have issues on hot days at the track, i can only imagine what it'll be like with a monster TT V8. it's a damn shame.
Your OPINION is subjective. Not sure why you're calling anyone a fanboy, you're one yourself. Especially when it comes to the fancy granny tranny.
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      11-27-2008, 03:00 PM   #38
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While a few people are going to be disappointed, I think this makes some sense from the point-of-view of business executives and consumers looking for a mixture of economy and performance. BMW execs realize that the potential benefits of improved fuel economy (the direction the rest of the world is moving) and turbo enthusiasts outweigh criticism from a much smaller group of NA purists.

Case-in-point. Initially I was very interested in the 2008 M3 coupe when it was released until I found out it was an 8 cylinder 1. Then discovering it had extremely poor gas mileage 2. Then noticing it had been slapped with an ugly gas guzzler tax 3. Then test driving it and saying to my myself "This thing feels like a big Camaro" 4. Completely different from the feel of the 2006 M3 with the competition package I test drove which had me drooling.

If BMW had released the 2008 M3 in a six cylinder I probably would have gone there. As it stands I'm extremely happy with my 2007 335i. The 335 just seemed like the smartest choice.
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i'm actually a fan of powerful SUVs and what not....
have guys ever driven a G65 amg or an ML65 amg? that shit hauls!! i personally think it's a fun drive

but i agree that the exclusivity would be diminished, but it's not like "just anyone" can simply walk in and buy one of them...they're not gonna be cheap...
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      11-28-2008, 01:11 PM   #40
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Your OPINION is subjective. Not sure why you're calling anyone a fanboy, you're one yourself. Especially when it comes to the fancy granny tranny.
you're damn right.
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      11-28-2008, 03:22 PM   #41
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Cool. I woke up early this morning to go out to the stores to go get myself an ///M toothbrush, bicycle, Plasma TV, and some ///M lingerie for my woman. I love that BMW makes everything now.
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it's a new era

the turbo era!
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the turbo era!

Correction: the bigger profit margin turbo era. Build cheap(er)...sell high(er). If only the buying public was smart enough to understand this is a downfall.
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Zero surprise. Oil prices spiked and it's becoming more of a political issue, BMW AG has to think ahead and address regulatory issues and market reality.
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