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      03-20-2006, 02:52 PM   #1
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Why is Z4 M more expensive than M3?

is it because it's convertible? but M3 convertible is only $5k more and you get a lot more car with it.



i just hope the Z4 M Coupe will be significantly cheaper than the roadster...
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you also get alot more weight, alot more seconds waiting for 60 to arrive and more time passes when you're doing a slalom

the one I lust after Z4M stickers at 55,500

M roadster will smoke a E46 M3
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then I went to the bathroom and it hit me,

M roadster has more standard equipment, like Xenons and premium audio that are not standard on the M3

this is in addition to it owning the M3
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then I went to the bathroom and it hit me,

M roadster has more standard equipment, like Xenons and premium audio that are not standard on the M3

this is in addition to it owning the M3
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M roadster will smoke a E46 M3

Are you talking about the M3 coupe??? The M3 coupe is officially timed at 0.1 seconds faster than the Z4M. The M3 coupe has a wider track to it. I would almost guarantee the M3 coupe has more body stiffness than the Z4M.

All of which translates to the M3 being a better track car than the Z4M.

I dont know where your pulling this together...
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Are you talking about the M3 coupe??? The M3 coupe is officially timed at 0.1 seconds faster than the Z4M. The M3 coupe has a wider track to it. I would almost guarantee the M3 coupe has more body stiffness than the Z4M.

All of which translates to the M3 being a better track car than the Z4M.

I dont know where your pulling this together...

3-400 pounds lighter with the same power.........

we'll need to see what the magazines actually get for 0-60 with the M roadster..... it's a pretty safe bet that BMW's factory claimed #'s are just to protect the "m3's image"
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Are you talking about the M3 coupe??? The M3 coupe is officially timed at 0.1 seconds faster than the Z4M. The M3 coupe has a wider track to it. I would almost guarantee the M3 coupe has more body stiffness than the Z4M.

All of which translates to the M3 being a better track car than the Z4M.

I dont know where your pulling this together...
However, the Z4 M Coupe will DEFINITELY outperform the E46 M3 on the track.
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However, the Z4 M Coupe will DEFINITELY outperform the E46 M3 on the track.

May be true... but the coupe is not official yet...


I was thinking about putting the M3 I6 in my E90. I hear engine swaps are pretty cheap and easy to do... Probably a nice little DIY for a Saturday afternoon...
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May be true... but the coupe is not official yet...


I was thinking about putting the M3 I6 in my E90. I hear engine swaps are pretty cheap and easy to do... Probably a nice little DIY for a Saturday afternoon...
Huh? I thought they confirmed the Z4 M Coupe?
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Huh? I thought they confirmed the Z4 M Coupe?

Well, no production of it yet... Sorry...


I did see a Z4M at the dealership on Saturday... looked really nice... Boring black on black though
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M roadster will lay some whoopass down on the M3 coupe

M3 convertible isn't even in the same league (too heavy!!)

The Z4 outhandles the M3 already, and the M roadster's been tweaked with all the M3 suspension goodies (front track wider than Z4, non runflat tires, comp pack brakes, hydraulic steering )

M roadster and coupe are the sporty BMW's now....
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M roadster and coupe are the sporty BMW's now....

For one year...

And I did compare the track width for each... M3 is 1 inch wider in all widths...
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it'll be interesting to see how these cars actually perform once they're out in the real world

My dealer doesn't have an M roady yet, but I plan on driving it when it shows up and I'll report if it's an improvement over the sport pack on the Z4 (which it should be) in the handling dept.

I wouldn't be surprised to see both the new M3 and M coupe/roadster in the mid 4 second to 60 range. I bet it'll be closer that most here think
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arent roadsters always more expensive than the regular coupes?? The only thing I can think of, in addition to what you guys have mentioned, is that a lot more goes into building the Z4M than the M3. The materials have to be able to withstand a crash thus I would think it should be stiffer than the M3's body. Since it's a smaller car, driver is way more susceptible to injuries if they dont put extra effort into it.
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arent roadsters always more expensive than the regular coupes?? The only thing I can think of, in addition to what you guys have mentioned, is that a lot more goes into building the Z4M than the M3. The materials have to be able to withstand a crash thus I would think it should be stiffer than the M3's body. Since it's a smaller car, driver is way more susceptible to injuries if they dont put extra effort into it.

that's usually the case, most cars are designed as a hardtop and then the convertible is developed later...

the Z4, and Boxster were designed to be droptops from the start so I can see how the manufacturers would have to charge a bit more to add the roof.

I haven't seen BMW's pricing on the coupes, but if they follow porsches lead the coupe will be a bit more
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Vlad, in Germany the Z4 M Coupe is 2,000 cheaper ( 55,900) than Z4 M roadster ( 57,900).

For comparison: M3 is 56,900.

Z 4 M Coupe is available over here, it's even in the configurator.
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cool, so it is cheaper then. i'm glad because the coupe is the one i really want. i wonder how they're going to price it over here. but considering that a regular 330i (don't know the difference in standard options) costs about the same in Euros as it does in US Dollars, then the Z4 M Coupe should also be around the same price. but on the other side, Z4 M Roadster in the states starts at $51k which is significantly less than 57k in Europe...
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who knows too.............

if the M versions sell as well as the Z4, dealers will be making really nice deals on them.

1.9% financing, 8 grand off sticker!!!
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cool, so it is cheaper then. i'm glad because the coupe is the one i really want. i wonder how they're going to price it over here. but considering that a regular 330i (don't know the difference in standard options) costs about the same in Euros as it does in US Dollars, then the Z4 M Coupe should also be around the same price. but on the other side, Z4 M Roadster in the states starts at $51k which is significantly less than 57k in Europe...
I would consider Z4 M Coupe to be priced about $1000 cheaper than M3 Coupe.
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If memory serves me right, the Z4M was being compared with the Cayman-S in a video. I believe it was Jeremy (not sure about this).
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if the M versions sell as well as the Z4, dealers will be making really nice deals on them.

1.9% financing, 8 grand off sticker!!!
wait, are you being sarcastic? i'm confused now, are Z4 sales good or bad in the states?
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If memory serves me right, the Z4M was being compared with the Cayman-S in a video. I believe it was Jeremy (not sure about this).
i kind of remember him comparing the boxter to Z4 but i've heard nothing about the M vs Cayman. maybe i'm confusing the two as well...
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