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      10-19-2008, 01:43 AM   #23
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Im assuming you are talking about springs? No they take 2
The website does say 8.9--that's ludicrous. Don't forget you will need a 4 wheel alignment afterwards, though. $900 is very steep for springs. I'll wait to see what Ground Control comes out with.
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Prove it. I'd put money on it that it won't be better. Different yes, but I bet not better..
Well first let me remind you of the Latigo CS, huge failure for Dinan in the suspension department.

The Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR with 600 PS which is equipped with KW coilover suspensions lapped the Nürburgring Nordschleife in a time of 7:22 minutes. NEW RECORD!!!!

The Viper ACR with KW coilover suspensions edges out the stock SRT10 in every category in the latest ROAD&TRACK Magazine standard road test.

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KWv3 = Best suspension for the e92 IMO.

It drives much better then stock, you have to be a idiot to pay 900 for springs.
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do all dealerships have to honor the warranty when you install dinan products?

I realy like the idea of a warrantied drop.....

if anyone can shed some light on the topic, or post a link, i'd appreciate it.
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do all dealerships have to honor the warranty when you install dinan products?

I realy like the idea of a warrantied drop.....

if anyone can shed some light on the topic, or post a link, i'd appreciate it.
Since Dinan is the warranter, not BMW, only authroized Dinan dealers can service you.

http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/warranty
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any additional pros and cons of this upgrade? How do they get their springs to work with EDC while other springs do not? Explain please? Also does/will it matter what wheel size/weight you have or do you need Dinan's lt wt wheels for them to work as advertized? Am looking to upgrade my 18" OEM to 19" aftermarkets so would probably do that at the same time.

thoughts guys?
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any additional pros and cons of this upgrade? How do they get their springs to work with EDC while other springs do not? Explain please? Also does/will it matter what wheel size/weight you have or do you need Dinan's lt wt wheels for them to work as advertized? Am looking to upgrade my 18" OEM to 19" aftermarkets so would probably do that at the same time.

thoughts guys?
Other springs have a greater drop from stock, which may or may not cause EDC issues. I would guess the more modest 1/2" drop of the Dinan has less impact.

The wheel weight is not too important in terms of applicability of the springs, since they deal with the far greater weight of the rest of the car. Lighter wheels just lets them follow deflections better.
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Its sad that this thread has degraded into a KW versus Dinan thread as in my mind they are in two completely different levels of tuning.

The KW is awesome, tuned correctly the car will perform better with the KW V3's, that is for sure. This comes at the expense of EDC which not everyone is willing to give up.

Dinan, in my experience rarely (if ever) has a carried a product that actually reduces performance. The H&R springs, in some peoples experience, do actually reduce performance.

A better argument: Why pay double the money for Dinan springs over H&R or Eibach?

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Its sad that this thread has degraded into a KW versus Dinan thread as in my mind they are in two completely different levels of tuning.

The KW is awesome, tuned correctly the car will perform better with the KW V3's, that is for sure. This comes at the expense of EDC which not everyone is willing to give up.

Dinan, in my experience rarely (if ever) has a carried a product that actually reduces performance. The H&R springs, in some peoples experience, do actually reduce performance.

A better argument: Why pay double the money for Dinan springs over H&R or Eibach?

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Exactly. The allure of Dinan is the prospect of warranty coverage. Yes, the warranty is from Dinan and not from BMW, but as many of us have dealers which are also Dinan shops, the prospect of having relatively seamless warranty coverage in one spot seems like an attractive trade for the slight premium. I don't understand why any EDC driver would consider anything but Dinan if they care about maintaining their warranty coverage on the suspension (and, if you were going to swap out the OEM suspension for coilovers, why get EDC in the first place). I chose not to get EDC for this reason.
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Exactly. The allure of Dinan is the prospect of warranty coverage. Yes, the warranty is from Dinan and not from BMW, but as many of us have dealers which are also Dinan shops, the prospect of having relatively seamless warranty coverage in one spot seems like an attractive trade for the slight premium. I don't understand why any EDC driver would consider anything but Dinan if they care about maintaining their warranty coverage on the suspension (and, if you were going to swap out the OEM suspension for coilovers, why get EDC in the first place). I chose not to get EDC for this reason.

Save the coin and go buy the RD sport, H&R or Eibach. If and when your EDC breaks put the stock springs back on and go play stupid.

From time to time this form blows my mind. This forum is great at getting to the bottom of things from PencilGeeks graphs to Lucids long very detailed explanations. We weigh, measure & test everything here no matter what. Remember when OC Kid got the first Brembo BBK, we demanded the facts before making a decision and thats Brembo not some ranodom company, guilty until proven innocent. Another case thats going on right now is the RPI discussion, perfect example, there are dynos, testimonies and even RPI is on the thread but yet we are still digging for the exact gain of these to the .01. So what Im really trying to say is these Dinan springs are still in question, I dont believe these springs are worth $900 because Steve Dinan says so, give me a break for all we know(since no one has seen them) these are out sourced to someone like H&R who came out with EDC compatible springs months ago and Dinan had them add a coil them he added $600.

Jellis - I wasnt trying to jack your thread I basically said if I were to spend anything over $300 on suspension it would be KW v3. Im sorry, not one more word about KW.
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Save the coin and go buy the RD sport, H&R or Eibach. If and when your EDC breaks put the stock springs back on and go play stupid.

From time to time this form blows my mind. This forum is great at getting to the bottom of things from PencilGeeks graphs to Lucids long very detailed explanations. We weigh, measure & test everything here no matter what. Remember when OC Kid got the first Brembo BBK, we demanded the facts before making a decision and thats Brembo not some ranodom company, guilty until proven innocent. Another case thats going on right now is the RPI discussion, perfect example, there are dynos, testimonies and even RPI is on the thread but yet we are still digging for the exact gain of these to the .01. So what Im really trying to say is these Dinan springs are still in question, I dont believe these springs are worth $900 because Steve Dinan says so, give me a break for all we know(since no one has seen them) these are out sourced to someone like H&R who came out with EDC compatible springs months ago and Dinan had them add a coil them he added $600.

Jellis - I wasnt trying to jack your thread I basically said if I were to spend anything over $300 on suspension it would be KW v3. Im sorry, not one more word about KW.
THE KIT IS NOT JUST SPRINGS. THEY INCLUDE FRONT GUIDE SUPPORTS AND BUMPSTOPS. THESE PARTS ARE NOT INCLUDED BY H&R, EIBACH OR RD SPORT, THIS INCREASES THE PRICE.

Dinan has a company local to them (silicon valley) wind springs to their specs after testing the car for many miles. I highly doubt H&R or Eibach even bought an M3 for testing.

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I'm going with Eibach instead of the others after reading all the IMOs here. Here is my logic... The slope of the car seems to change since the drop is more in the front, if ever so slightly with both the H&Rs and the EIbachs...but less with the Eibachs and none with the Dinans, which I beleive is preferred. I do believe that both HR and Eibach dropped the car in the front a bit more than the rear because the wheel space has a larger gap and not necessarily for performance. Fine with me. IMO it looks better. However, I'm not sold that Dinan is worth the 900 because they inlclude revised rubber stops. But I do believe that they kept the drop equal front and back to keep what BMW engineers probably determined was an ideal stance. So the Eibachs are a good compromise for me. Besides, with EDC, I certainly hope that the EDC will stabilize the car enough to keep it from bottoming out with agressive driving on stock stops.
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THE KIT IS NOT JUST SPRINGS. THEY INCLUDE FRONT GUIDE SUPPORTS AND BUMPSTOPS. THESE PARTS ARE NOT INCLUDED BY H&R, EIBACH OR RD SPORT, THIS INCREASES THE PRICE.

Dinan has a company local to them (silicon valley) wind springs to their specs after testing the car for many miles. I highly doubt H&R or Eibach even bought an M3 for testing.

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Im aware that the "kit" comes with bumpstops and front guide supports, but that doesnt justify a $500 increase. Dont forget these are just springs(and bumpstops) not an entire suspension set up. All I ever said was I wouldnt buy it, I dont know why you have such a problem with that.

Do you think Dinan is the only company that does R&D?

I cant believe you had me watch 17:31 of bull shit about Dinan, if you want to blow him thats fine but I dont.

Im not sure of the point you are trying to make? Are you saying that this kit is worth $900?...If you are thats fine with me spend your money how you see fit. & I could care less about what H&R and Eibach do, I dont own any of there products.
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I'm going with Eibach instead of the others after reading all the IMOs here. Here is my logic... The slope of the car seems to change since the drop is more in the front, if ever so slightly with both the H&Rs and the EIbachs...but less with the Eibachs and none with the Dinans, which I beleive is preferred. I do believe that both HR and Eibach dropped the car in the front a bit more than the rear because the wheel space has a larger gap and not necessarily for performance. Fine with me. IMO it looks better. However, I'm not sold that Dinan is worth the 900 because they inlclude revised rubber stops. But I do believe that they kept the drop equal front and back to keep what BMW engineers probably determined was an ideal stance. So the Eibachs are a good compromise for me. Besides, with EDC, I certainly hope that the EDC will stabilize the car enough to keep it from bottoming out with agressive driving on stock stops.
FYI I use to have RD Sport springs on my car and it was level, you may want to look into those.
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^ Thanks. I suppose the change is too small to notice or make much of a difference considering the car may see little if any track time. I read another post here where there was a local meet here in my area. I'm going to try and make the next one to see the drops IRL but thanks for the heads up on the car being level with H&Rs.
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who makes springs for Dinan ?

I know that they are using Spearco intercoolers for 335 , so my guess would be they didn't spend much on that product ...

Is it the same case with the springs ?
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We need some pics of the stance. I want to see if 1/2" makes enough of a difference.
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did you see the supply chain for the exhausts? ridiculous. you're paying for shitty supply management, not innovation.
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did you see the supply chain for the exhausts? ridiculous. you're paying for shitty supply management, not innovation.
...and a warranty.
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Interesting....I loved my GC camber plates and coilover's on my e46M3; however the e92M3 surpasses all the suspension mods I did to my old M3.

This time around; and due to EDC functionality, Dinan springs and camber plates may be what I'm after. Question is, does the mod really enhance the vehicles performance?

Does anyone have an experiance with the M5's equiped with Dinan springs?
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This is what I've been looking for. They have camber plates, too! I might go for these. Pricey though.

http://www.dinancars.com/store/produ...cat=787&page=1
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From the link below,I don't think the E92 M3 provide a sinificant range of camber adjustment,without camber plates you'd be lucky if you go from neg 1.1 to neg 1.2 deg adjustment,that's not a significant range...

DINAN said:
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Front Camber Plates are now available for use with the Stage 1 Suspension. While the M3s are now provided from the factory with a significant range of camber adjustment, the Dinan camber plates shift the range of the adjuster by -0.7 degrees, providing for a more aggressive negative camber setting that dramatically improves grip in the turns for reduced understeer and razor sharp turn-in. Aggressive drivers will benefit from reduced outside edge tire wear as well."
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From the link below,I don't think the E92 M3 provide a sinificant range of camber adjustment,without camber plates you'd be lucky if you go from neg 1.1 to neg 1.2 deg adjustment,that's not a significant range...

DINAN said:
"Front Camber Plates
Front Camber Plates are now available for use with the Stage 1 Suspension. While the M3s are now provided from the factory with a significant range of camber adjustment, the Dinan camber plates shift the range of the adjuster by -0.7 degrees, providing for a more aggressive negative camber setting that dramatically improves grip in the turns for reduced understeer and razor sharp turn-in. Aggressive drivers will benefit from reduced outside edge tire wear as well."

Incorrect, the e92M3 camber is more aggressive than the e46M3 camber out of the box. I recently had my from camber set to neg ~1.4, or more; let me find the exact number (i'm drawing a blank on the exact toe figure as well), but -1.1 to -1.2 should be easy enough.

I also just called Dinan, and unless the tech was misrepresenting the product, he mentioned the camber plates will set the car just past -2.0 if needed.
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