Is it true Warranty is void if you run TOP SPEED??

rawedge2 · 10-06-2008, 02:33 PM

i have been told that your car would be considered "tracked" if you have hit the rev limiter/top speed..

is this true..??

i've done 190mph in a car and 174mph on a bike so i have no urge to top out the M.. but i have topped out all past vehicles at one point or another (no BMW's).. so it would be nice to know i could and not lose my warranty..

montreal red · 10-06-2008, 03:30 PM

well the speed limiter is below 190mph on the m3 so you wont even reach its "top speed" as long as you dont over rev your engine, maxing the car to the speed limiter wont void your warranty. i maxed out the limiter on my e90 328 once when i had it and i went in and out of dealer service with no problems at all.

Blake · 10-06-2008, 03:34 PM

you'll be fine.

ACZakka325i · 10-06-2008, 04:19 PM

Where the hell can you do 190mph?

I've done 140 no problem, but past 160 and up is a different ball game.

pittsy · 10-06-2008, 04:22 PM

alligator alley in florida, it goes from naples to miami, its 50 or so miles dead straight

Deda · 10-06-2008, 04:31 PM

very brave drive!

Blake · 10-06-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Deda

very brave drive!

it does give you a pretty uneasy feeling in your stomach.

ChrisFastM3 · 10-06-2008, 04:56 PM

US LAW

No

skierman64 · 10-06-2008, 04:58 PM

Even if you track your car it doesn't void your warranty according to BMW USA M brand manager Larry Koch. The only exception is if you're racing it or in a contest.

JEllis · 10-06-2008, 07:58 PM

ridiculous that this would void your warranty.. you could win in court on this issue

GT3 Tim · 10-06-2008, 08:46 PM

Why would it be? If you are operating the car wihtin its designed limits, it should not effect your warranty coverage.

GT3 Tim · 10-06-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skierman64

Even if you track your car it doesn't void your warranty according to BMW USA M brand manager Larry Koch. The only exception is if you're racing it or in a contest.

Yeah, that is my understanding.. no "competative" motorsports.

Hell, if they tried to void you out for "tracking" the car (no competitions!), you would win that case too...they advertise the car being used on the track. It is in their brochures, vids, etc. There is no way that they would win in court saying that being as you took it on the track, your warranty was void. lol

Mike Benvo · 10-06-2008, 08:52 PM

Well, there is an issue to think about here.

It's a well documented fact that the car records the fastest speed achieved. If you exceed the factory limit, then it's quite obvious that you have tampered with the cars electronic control units (specifically the coded limit in the DME unit, at least).

The question is, can they void warranty on the basis of this alone? Sounds unlikely, but I think it would be possible to deny coverage in certain situations.

ferrari6891 · 10-06-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by skierman64

Even if you track your car it doesn't void your warranty according to BMW USA M brand manager Larry Koch. The only exception is if you're racing it or in a contest.

Just curious...does "racing it or in a contest " include competitive tracking, or does racing or in a contest refer to street racing or something like that?

lucid · 10-06-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ferrari6891

Just curious...does "racing it or in a contest " include competitive tracking, or does racing or in a contest refer to street racing or something like that?

My interpretation is that they are referring to timed competitions with published results.

Fkellym3 · 10-07-2008, 01:06 AM

is there a such thing privacy act on this? I mean...they shouldnt be any tracking device or a blackbox in car(if there is one) without your acknowledge.

rawedge2 · 10-07-2008, 06:46 AM

i have been told that the key is like a blackbox.. a dealer plugs it into their port and can pull up info about the car..

(food for thought).. and if you used one specific key only to take the car the dealer, a "clean key" would that make any difference...

m3=no real black box... Nissan GTR=Blackbox STANDARD!

GT3 Tim · 10-07-2008, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

Well, there is an issue to think about here.

It's a well documented fact that the car records the fastest speed achieved. If you exceed the factory limit, then it's quite obvious that you have tampered with the cars electronic control units (specifically the coded limit in the DME unit, at least).

The question is, can they void warranty on the basis of this alone? Sounds unlikely, but I think it would be possible to deny coverage in certain situations.

I read into the OP's question as top speed as in limited top speed. I understand your point about if the car was chipped and you were recorded at 185 or whatever the true top speed is. THEN you may have an issue as you were exceeding the cars "manufactured limit". They could easily argue that there was a limit imposed by them at time of manufacture to avoid breakage, etc. and you over rode it, causing the damage. However, you would still have the Magnussen-Moss Act to fall back on....but it would be a slippery slope I think.

Mike Benvo · 10-07-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

I read into the OP's question as top speed as in limited top speed. I understand your point about if the car was chipped and you were recorded at 185 or whatever the true top speed is. THEN you may have an issue as you were exceeding the cars "manufactured limit". They could easily argue that there was a limit imposed by them at time of manufacture to avoid breakage, etc. and you over rode it, causing the damage. However, you would still have the Magnussen-Moss Act to fall back on....but it would be a slippery slope I think.

I don't think that they could void the warranty based on the fact that you drove past 155mph. I think it would be solely on the basis that you had to tamper with the ECU settings to attain that top speed. Even though the top speed limiter is a simple adjustment to an ECU tuner, BMW has no idea what else may have been modified (vanos position, redline, timing, fueling, knock retardation) and would surely make for a slippery slope as you said.

I guess I'm screwed, I've hit hear 180 with this thing

Drive em hard boys.

rawedge2 · 10-07-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ACZakka325i

Where the hell can you do 190mph?

I've done 140 no problem, but past 160 and up is a different ball game.

190mph was in Ferrari 355 race setup on Poconos Raceway
..hit 182mph in a Stock Porshe Turbo that day too..

and the 600RR was on Ocean Parkway, LI-NY
(i believe its a 35mph speedlimit the whole way now, yet 22 mile straightaway, never traffic)

and these are all according to the speedometer..
Which i know has big % errors at those speeds, but they gotta be semi-close..

10-06-2008, 02:33 PM	#1
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10-06-2008, 03:30 PM	#2
montreal red chris Drives: Green Frog Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 12,093 iTrader: (31)	well the speed limiter is below 190mph on the m3 so you wont even reach its "top speed" as long as you dont over rev your engine, maxing the car to the speed limiter wont void your warranty. i maxed out the limiter on my e90 328 once when i had it and i went in and out of dealer service with no problems at all. __________________ 997.1 GT3RS 2009 WRX STI e92 M3 (gone)

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ACZakka325i Lieutenant Colonel Drives: X1 3.5 M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CT Posts: 1,756 iTrader: (2)	Where the hell can you do 190mph? I've done 140 no problem, but past 160 and up is a different ball game. __________________ 2013 535i xdrive(Current) 2008 E92 M3 (Gone) 2006 E90 325i (Gone) 2002 E46 325xi (Gone) 1991 E30 325i (Gone)

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JEllis Brigadier General Drives: E36 M3, 997S Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,424 iTrader: (1)	ridiculous that this would void your warranty.. you could win in court on this issue __________________

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GT3 Tim Moderator Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,883 iTrader: (0)	Why would it be? If you are operating the car wihtin its designed limits, it should not effect your warranty coverage. __________________ Tim (apparently likes "3" cars) E90 M3 -- Current ride 2004 GT3 -- Sold 1997 M3/4 -- Sold 1995 M3 -- Sold

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Mike Benvo BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: BPMSport M3 / 7 Series Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,359 iTrader: (6)	Well, there is an issue to think about here. It's a well documented fact that the car records the fastest speed achieved. If you exceed the factory limit, then it's quite obvious that you have tampered with the cars electronic control units (specifically the coded limit in the DME unit, at least). The question is, can they void warranty on the basis of this alone? Sounds unlikely, but I think it would be possible to deny coverage in certain situations. __________________ -----\| Like us on Facebook \| Instagram \|\| Tuning Information \| Remote Coding \|----- ----Visit us at www.BPMSport.com - Emotion. Driven. \| Toll Free: (888) 557-5133----

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Fkellym3 Private First Class Drives: M3 V8 414hp 4.0l stock car.. Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mclean, VA Posts: 110 iTrader: (0)	is there a such thing privacy act on this? I mean...they shouldnt be any tracking device or a blackbox in car(if there is one) without your acknowledge.

10-07-2008, 06:46 AM	#17
rawedge2 First Lieutenant Drives: 05 STI - 08 M3 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: long island Posts: 327 iTrader: (1)	i have been told that the key is like a blackbox.. a dealer plugs it into their port and can pull up info about the car.. (food for thought).. and if you used one specific key only to take the car the dealer, a "clean key" would that make any difference... m3=no real black box... Nissan GTR=Blackbox STANDARD!

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