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      10-01-2008, 12:49 AM   #1
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Looks like the truth is revealed about the GT-R's 'Ring time!

Nissan accused of cheating to achieve GT-R's 'Ring time!
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      10-01-2008, 01:15 AM   #2
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Honestly this knocks my respect for Porsche down a couple of notches. It seems a little immature to go and call out Nissan like this, but at the same time I see what they mean with the lap times. 25 seconds is a very large gap. If what they say is true, then my respect for Nissan will have gone down much much more.
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      10-01-2008, 01:49 AM   #3
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Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack.
Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and says it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April.

It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

"This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car," says August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, speaking to the CARSguide at the Australian press preview of the latest 911 Cabrio.

"For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres."

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre.

Achleitner says Porsche took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and ran it around the Nurburgring within two hours of its own cars, on the same day with exactly the same weather conditions.

He says there was no tweaking of any kind and the GT2 and Turbo both ran on regular Porsche road tyres, the Michelin Sport Cup.

"We bought the car in the US. We drove a GT-R with new tyres," he says.

Achleitner was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.

But he eventually revealed his team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Achleitner says the back-to-back comparison was run because Porsche was concerned by Nissan's claims for the GT-R, which is heavier than the 911 with similar power.

"The Nissan is a good car. I don't want to make anything bad with my words," he says.

"It's a very consistent car. But this car is about 20 kilos heavier than the Turbo . . ."

In the end, Porsche believes its testing has achieved the right lap times for the Skyline GT-R and benchmarked it against its own 911 heroes in the right context.

"For us it has been clearly the result. This technical puzzle now fits together. With the other numbers we had problems to understand it," he says.

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      10-01-2008, 02:11 AM   #5
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so porsche bought a gtr just to compare the lap times to theirs and prove their claim.
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      10-01-2008, 02:13 AM   #6
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Haha just waiting for the next article "Japanese driver shows germany how to drive the nurburgring" but dang a 27 second difference in projected lap time is huge something definitely is not computing here
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      10-01-2008, 02:48 AM   #7
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Don't know about other tests... and not saying Top Gear Power laps are any scientific indicators of things... but that Godzilla went around the Top Gear test track as quick as the Scuderia did... and faster than a Carrera GT... GT3 RS was almost 3 seconds slower... Seems that the GTR time's possible?

Even tho we are all German car owners here, I'll still have to agree that calling foul like this won't do Porsche any good.....
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      10-01-2008, 08:39 AM   #8
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Porsche is a bunch of weak cry babies. Nissan needs to repeat their numbers.
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      10-01-2008, 09:20 AM   #9
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Porsche Claims Nissan Cheating in Ring Times...

Cheaters!!
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      10-01-2008, 09:23 AM   #10
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What Nissan needs to do is take a GT-R off of one of their own lots, fly it to Germany and try to get anywhere close to 7:29.
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      10-01-2008, 09:33 AM   #11
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Woah... I wonder if its true?
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      10-01-2008, 10:08 AM   #12
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Well, Porsche was not able to even come close to Nissans time....

Either it was a pre-production car, the car had race rubber on it, or a combo of the two. Maybe Nissan will fess up....lol.

Either way, the GT-R is a spectacular car.
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      10-01-2008, 10:12 AM   #13
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Lets wait for the Sport Auto test by Horst and then we will know who is telling the truth
It will be an epic FAIL if Nissan lied and put the GTR on slicks . M3 FTMFW !!
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      10-01-2008, 10:36 AM   #14
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But the car beats everything even when the press is driving it. Models that are spec'd for customer delivery.
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But the car beats everything even when the press is driving it. Models that are spec'd for customer delivery.
That could be one of two things:

1. It's a very easy car (for the average buyer) to drive at its limits, unlike a lot of its exotic competitors

OR (and for Porsche's sake, I hope its not this one)

2. Porsche's test driver sucks and the Nissan is indeed as fast as they claim
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whoa...porsche just opened a can of worms....
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damn, now nissan has to go do it again...or for the first time
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That could be one of two things:

1. It's a very easy car (for the average buyer) to drive at its limits, unlike a lot of its exotic competitors

OR (and for Porsche's sake, I hope its not this one)

2. Porsche's test driver sucks and the Nissan is indeed as fast as they claim
or

3. Porsche bought a lemon? haha
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Wow. Can't wait for Nissan's respond.
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Wow. Can't wait for Nissan's respond.
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