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      10-01-2008, 12:04 AM   #67
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I can tell you from plenty of experience that the 3 feels faster, but watching the speedo the M6 is definitely faster.
So you are agreeing with my longer post above?
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      10-01-2008, 12:05 AM   #68
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Anyone have an idea of how a 335i JB3/V3 would fare against an M6 coupe in a track race scenario?

I mean the M6 is an ///M...therefore having an awesome suspension as well as a really nice LSD (not to mention 500 bhp).

But it is still a Grand Tourer weighing in with an unladen weight of 3909 lbs vs the 335i's unladen weight of 3594 lbs/3571 lbs (sedan/coupe).

I personally would like to see a 2500 lbs 800 HP Twin Turbo ///M BMW Supercar (a modern day Mclaren F1). I doubt anyone on the boards would have any confusion as to whether their 335i's were faster...
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      10-01-2008, 12:06 AM   #69
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So you are agreeing with my longer post above?
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      10-01-2008, 12:07 AM   #70
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I personally would like to see a 2500 lbs 800 HP Twin Turbo ///M BMW Supercar (a modern day Mclaren F1). I doubt anyone on the boards would have any confusion as to whether their 335i's were faster...
Something like that would have to be mid-engined, have ridiculously sticky rubber and massive downforce. That's so much power for a 2500lb car.
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      10-01-2008, 12:26 AM   #71
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Anyone have an idea of how a 335i JB3/V3 would fare against an M6 coupe in a track race scenario?
M6 would win as it has much more linear power delivery, better suspension, wider sticker tires, LSD. All this would make it better/easier in corners.

M6 would also win in long straights with a higher top speed because of more HP.

The tuned 335i has no chance againts an M6 with a halfway decent race driver.
However, if you only track a few times a year and have never been to racing school, on an M6 you will have trouble passing tuned 335i around corners as it has the low end torque. However, there if there is a long straight on the track, even a retard driving an M6 will pass tuned 335i.

If you have a tuned 335i with LSD + good suspension/tires (all of which can be had for 10-15k), then it will be much closer, however, M6 will still kill it on long straightways, although the 335i will become impossible to pass in corners.

This is pure speculation as I have never driven an M6.
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      10-01-2008, 12:33 AM   #72
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M6 would win as it has much more linear power delivery, better suspension, wider sticker tires, LSD. All this would make it better/easier in corners.

M6 would also win in long straights with a higher top speed because of more HP.

The tuned 335i has no chance againts an M6 with a halfway decent race driver.
However, if you only track a few times a year and have never been to racing school, on an M6 you will have trouble passing tuned 335i around corners as it has the low end torque. However, there if there is a long straight on the track, even a retard driving an M6 will pass tuned 335i.

If you have a tuned 335i with LSD + good suspension/tires (all of which can be had for 10-15k), then it will be much closer, however, M6 will still kill it on long straightways, although the 335i will become impossible to pass in corners.

This is pure speculation as I have never driven an M6.
I don't believe this, if you keep your revs up (which the M does) coming out of the corner it would deliver the power much more linear and eat the 335 alive. PS I owned the 335 and currently have an M3, gotta say the 335 was quite boring compared to the M.
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      10-01-2008, 12:44 AM   #73
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I don't believe this, if you keep your revs up (which the M does) coming out of the corner it would deliver the power much more linear and eat the 335 alive. PS I owned the 335 and currently have an M3, gotta say the 335 was quite boring compared to the M.
Isn't that what I said? Which statement are you referring to?
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sorry, I was referring to the corning comparison
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      10-01-2008, 01:08 AM   #75
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M6 would win as it has much more linear power delivery, better suspension, wider sticker tires, LSD. All this would make it better/easier in corners.

M6 would also win in long straights with a higher top speed because of more HP.

The tuned 335i has no chance againts an M6 with a halfway decent race driver.
However, if you only track a few times a year and have never been to racing school, on an M6 you will have trouble passing tuned 335i around corners as it has the low end torque. However, there if there is a long straight on the track, even a retard driving an M6 will pass tuned 335i.

If you have a tuned 335i with LSD + good suspension/tires (all of which can be had for 10-15k), then it will be much closer, however, M6 will still kill it on long straightways, although the 335i will become impossible to pass in corners.

This is pure speculation as I have never driven an M6.
Makes sense. I would then assume an E9x M3 would surpass an M6 on a turn heavy course.

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Something like that would have to be mid-engined, have ridiculously sticky rubber and massive downforce. That's so much power for a 2500lb car.
Yeah, mid engined, Veyron or Viper ACR-esque spoiler and aero parts, and F1 inspired street legal slicks.
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I have to say even though it is my thread it has taken a turn i didn't want. But it has 50 comments in under 2 hours thats pretty good.
I'm pretty sure you had a lobotomy recently
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      10-01-2008, 10:12 AM   #77
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You guys are giving the OP a hard time. He said that the M6 didn't feel as mean as a JB3 e9x, which is very possible, even probable, since he is comparing a N/A car to a turbo car. Its very hard to reproduce the immediate torque or a turbo.
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      10-01-2008, 11:16 AM   #78
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You guys are giving the OP a hard time. He said that the M6 didn't feel as mean as a JB3 e9x, which is very possible, even probable, since he is comparing a N/A car to a turbo car. Its very hard to reproduce the immediate torque or a turbo.
I agree. I have never been in a moving M6 but I think the OP feels the M6 is not as mean from a stop as is the JB3 but once the M6 is rolling it is a faster and more refined beast.
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      10-01-2008, 11:22 AM   #79
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You guys are giving the OP a hard time. He said that the M6 didn't feel as mean as a JB3 e9x, which is very possible, even probable, since he is comparing a N/A car to a turbo car. Its very hard to reproduce the immediate torque or a turbo.

I will tell you guys this..... The M6 / M5 is vulnerable before 5000 rpm....once it gets in the powerband and stays there with the close ratio box.

When I drove the M3 / M5 / M6 back to back at VIR, I was afraid of the acceleration of the M5 / M6 at 140 mph+ these things are pulling strong minus the gut punching torque.
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      10-01-2008, 12:05 PM   #80
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vulnerable . That was the word I was looking for . Sorry if I said things that may have been misleading.
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i dont know if its because i goto amusement parks a lot, but none of these cars seem all that fast to me. high g's through the corners though are what turn me on (because thats what feels most like a roller coaster) and so far the R8 is the best ive experienced. i do look forward to the corvettes but haven't had the chance yet.
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i dont know if its because i goto amusement parks a lot, but none of these cars seem all that fast to me. high g's through the corners though are what turn me on (because thats what feels most like a roller coaster) and so far the R8 is the best ive experienced. i do look forward to the corvettes but haven't had the chance yet.
I bet you wouldn't be impressed unless the car punches out of the hole so hard it hurts your neck...
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      10-01-2008, 05:26 PM   #83
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I have to say myself every car seems quite slow / boring compared to the ford gt. What an animal..
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My first sexual experience didn't feel very fast either. Although I'm sure it was pretty damn fast in retrospect. Catch my drift...
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The OP is not saying that the M6 is slower, he's just saying that it feels slower.

It makes sense too. A chipped 335i seems to get around 380lbs of torque before 2000 rpm. The M6 gets 380lbs of torque at around 6000 rpm.
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I will tell you guys this..... The M6 / M5 is vulnerable before 5000 rpm....once it gets in the powerband and stays there with the close ratio box.

When I drove the M3 / M5 / M6 back to back at VIR, I was afraid of the acceleration of the M5 / M6 at 140 mph+ these things are pulling strong minus the gut punching torque.
So technically 335i can beat a M6 if the competition is set to end at 5000rpm
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So technically 335i can beat a M6 if the competition is set to end at 5000rpm

I would agree with that.....
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