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      09-05-2008, 10:24 PM   #1
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Obama the Community Organizer

During the past two weeks I've learned more about Palin's life and politics than I have about Obama in the past 2 years. Where are Obama's life long friends speaking out on his behalf? Where is the vetting process for Obama? Why am I just now hearing about the community organization he and his wife ran before winning the il senate race "Public Allies"? This article was reported on this am on CBS radio: Take the time to read it (it's short)
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...05420655186700

Did I miss something on CNN, Fox, NBC or BBC? Why hasn't anyone investigated and reported on Obama's Community Organization (Racist Cult-Socialist/Radical Boot Camp)?

I would think this kinda of stuff would be brought out in his "media vetting" process. Guess they missed it (small detail).

His affiliation (founding member) tells me everything I need to know about this man's character and ideology.

The disguise is off! He's a flippin Socialist/Racist thru and thru!
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The disguise is off! He's a flippin Socialist thru and thru!
While the details of the article I will view with some skepticism initially. I thought it was well know he is very socialistic and one of the reasons he will not get my vote.
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Did I miss something on CNN, Fox, NBC or BBC? Why hasn't anyone investigated and reported on Obama's Community Organization (Racist Cult-Socialist/Radical Boot Camp)?
What you missed is your turn when they were giving out brains. Obama has been through one of the longest most hard fought presidential primaries in US history. He and this wife have come under unbelieveably intense scrutiny during the course of this campaign. He's been thoroughly vetted through the process, and yet pea brains like you are still predisposed to believing all the made up bullshit trash you read and hear on nut-job websites like the one you linked.

Those trash sites and the people who read them are total losers.
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What you missed is your turn when they were giving out brains. Obama has been through one of the longest most hard fought presidential primaries in US history. He and this wife have come under unbelieveably intense scrutiny during the course of this campaign. He's been thoroughly vetted through the process, and yet pea brains like you are still predisposed to believing all the made up bullshit trash you read and hear on nut-job websites like the one you linked.

Those trash sites and the people who read them are total losers.
How do you really feel about this?

I think OBama is a socialist.
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Obama has been through one of the longest most hard fought presidential primaries in US history. He and this wife have come under unbelieveably intense scrutiny during the course of this campaign. He's been thoroughly vetted through the process.

Have they really? (Disected his life "vetted him") No.

What have you heard about Obama the Community Organizer?

What was the name of his Organization?

What is it all about?

Where are Obama's life long friends speaking out on his behalf or being interviewed by the media? Who are they (names)?

Who is he really? (character, ideology)

Would love to hear your response or anyone who is on Obama's side.
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"community organizer".

I rather take a gamble on a "community organizer" than John McCain.

We've already taken a gamble w/ 2 years of W.

Fuck it, let's take another gamble.

Bring it on.
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Have they really? (Disected his life "vetted him") No.

What have you heard about Obama the Community Organizer?

What was the name of his Organization?

What is it all about?

Where are Obama's life long friends speaking out on his behalf or being interviewed by the media? Who are they (names)?

Who is he really? (character, ideology)

Would love to hear your response or anyone who is on Obama's side.
Questions like yours are always amazing to me as there is so much ACCURATE, VERIFYABLE, information available on Barack Obama. Have you made any real and honest attempts to find the answers to your questions? Why not do a little RESEARCH???? Let me help you out. Go to Google and type in "Barack Obama", or "Barack Obama biography". You'll get all your questions answered pretty quickly.

The key is to go to OBJECTIVE sources like Wikepedia and Biography.com.

My challenge to you is for YOU to bring back the answer and post here. It will be interesting to see if you are really interested in knowing the truth or if you are predisposed to consuming lies and smears.
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Questions like yours are always amazing to me as there is so much ACCURATE, VERIFYABLE, information available on Barack Obama. Have you made any real and honest attempts to find the answers to your questions? Why not do a little RESEARCH???? Let me help you out. Go to Google and type in "Barack Obama", or "Barack Obama biography". You'll get all your questions answered pretty quickly.

The key is to go to OBJECTIVE sources like Wikepedia and Biography.com.

My challenge to you is for YOU to bring back the answer and post here. It will be interesting to see if you are really interested in knowing the truth or if you are predisposed to consuming lies and smears.
Typical liberal response. Avoid the questions and spin spin spin. I've done my research.

From your post it looks like your reading comprehension might not be the best. So again, I would to see answers from an Obama supporter...that would not be me.
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Typical liberal response. Avoid the questions and spin spin spin. I've done my research.

From your post it looks like your reading comprehension might not be the best. So again, I would to see answers from an Obama supporter...that would not be me.
My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you. It's yours I question. I confronted your question head on and presented a challenge to you to find the answer and bring back your findings from an unbiased source. You have avoided the challenge which is not surprisig at all. You've proven that you really have no interest in the truth. You're simply intent on spreading lies and smears.

Soley for the benefit of others on here who may be interested in the true answer to your question I'll help you out here. It's clear lazy morons like you would rather post smears and ask insincere questions which you have no real interest in the true answers to just to create doubt in the minds of others.


After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens. Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute. In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time to Europe for three weeks then Kenya for five weeks where he met many of his Kenyan relatives for the first time.

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I would think this kinda of stuff would be brought out in his "media vetting" process. Guess they missed it (small detail).

The disguise is off! He's a flippin Socialist/Racist thru and thru!
the liberal media would never say anything negative about Barack.
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My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you. It's yours I question. I confronted your question head on and presented a challenge to you to find the answer and bring back your findings from an unbiased source. You have avoided the challenge which is not surprisig at all. You've proven that you really have no interest in the truth. You're simply intent on spreading lies and smears.

Soley for the benefit of others on here who may be interested in the true answer to your question I'll help you out here. It's clear lazy morons like you would rather post smears and ask insincere questions which you have no real interest in the true answers to just to create doubt in the minds of others.


After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens. Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute. In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time to Europe for three weeks then Kenya for five weeks where he met many of his Kenyan relatives for the first time.

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Oh the irony

You call the OP lazy and you are either too damn lazy yourself to open the link or have one of the more serious problems with reading comprehension that I have ever witnessed.

The article is talking about he and his wife's "bootcamp" Public Allies not the crap you just cut and pasted from Wiki. Here is a little snipit that I found LOL funny from the Public Allies article.

The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education." So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government.
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oh yeah - they really shun the money culture - thats why he gives his books away for free!
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Oh the irony

You call the OP lazy and you are either too damn lazy yourself to open the link or have one of the more serious problems with reading comprehension that I have ever witnessed.

The article is talking about he and his wife's "bootcamp" Public Allies not the crap you just cut and pasted from Wiki. Here is a little snipit that I found LOL funny from the Public Allies article.

The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education." So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government.
Try this for irony. You are proving my point. You would rather accept the editorial "opinion" of Investors Business Daily, a notoriously biased conservative right wing website than from a neutral objective source like Wikipedia. I notice that piece of shit IBD editorial is making the rounds on all the right wing blog sites. I'm sure you and the OP get all of your info from right wing blogs and other biased sources and spew them as fact.

You're a moron. Continually trying to paint the Obamas as radical and racist only makes YOU look radical and racist.

Try doing some RESEARCH from OBJECTIVE sources before you post crap like this. Otherwise you only make yourself look narrow minded and stupid. But then again, if the shoe fits...
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Oh the irony

You call the OP lazy and you are either too damn lazy yourself to open the link or have one of the more serious problems with reading comprehension that I have ever witnessed.

When he doesn't have an answer or a decent rebuttal (which he never does), he resorts to calling people peabrained and various other insults.


It really is quite funny if you stop and think about it.
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neutral objective source like Wikipedia.








You are truly dumber than I thought (and I have always thought you were unintelligent based on your posts). Wikipedia, objective and neutral? HA HAHAHAH HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHH

you belittle someone for using a business source, then you come back and say that Wikipedia is more credible.

wow....... simply amazing.


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Is this what it is to be a Community Agitator? Maybe I should reconsider, and vote for McCain / Palin in November.

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Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."

But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.

When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.

"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education."

Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. "It was too touchy-feely," said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. "It's a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias."

One of those -isms is "heterosexism," which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of "capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege."

The government now funds about half of Public Allies' expenses through Clinton's AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military, he said.

The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate the military — and stick American taxpayers with the bill.
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Try this for irony. You are proving my point. You would rather accept the editorial "opinion" of Investors Business Daily, a notoriously biased conservative right wing website than from a neutral objective source like Wikipedia.
Come on you can do better than that. IDB, a notorious rightwing website? Wiki a reliable objective source? Honestly.

Instead of attacking the source, why not respond to the information. If it is not true, state what is not true and why. Were Barack & Michelle involved with this group? Was the group accurately described?
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Try this for irony. You are proving my point. You would rather accept the editorial "opinion" of Investors Business Daily, a notoriously biased conservative right wing website than from a neutral objective source like Wikipedia. I notice that piece of shit IBD editorial is making the rounds on all the right wing blog sites. I'm sure you and the OP get all of your info from right wing blogs and other biased sources and spew them as fact.

You're a moron. Continually trying to paint the Obamas as radical and racist only makes YOU look radical and racist.

Try doing some RESEARCH from OBJECTIVE sources before you post crap like this. Otherwise you only make yourself look narrow minded and stupid. But then again, if the shoe fits...
.......and he just glosses over the fact that he didn't even exert the energy to comment about the correct Community Group in question

Then resorts in true liberal fashion to name calling when he can't come up with a rebuttal. And just where in ANYTHING that I have posted is even remotely close to discussing someone's race? Just because the opponet is black then any negative comment about him is deemed racist. Ignorance in its highest fashion.

I don't need to do anymore research. The following are PROVEN facts:

His pastor is an evowed racist
He is friends of and sought the advice of a US Terrorist (William Ayers)
He has ties to the criminal r/e developer Tony Rezco
His ideas are Marxist in nature
He will raise taxes to those that create the wealth in this Country
He has ZERO executive management experience
He is for MORE MORE MORE government
He will instill universal healthcare
He will instill a timeline for pulling out of Iraq
He wants to provide illegals with drivers licenses and give them amnesty
He will sit down without preconditions with the likes of Ahmedenijad, Chavez

Those are FACTS, son. I don't like the guy; I don't like his elitist attitude; He has no business being the POTUS ----- it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the color of his skin....it has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he is a Marxist.

For the record, I volunteered for the Michael Steele run for Senate in 2006. You, being from Maryland, know exactly who Michael Steele is and the last time I checked he was BLACK.

Now go back to reading the Daily Kos, Huffington Post and Democratic Underground for more talking points

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Come on you can do better than that. IDB, a notorious rightwing website? Wiki a reliable objective source? Honestly.
I can do better? You are defending a ghost written editorial opinion from IBD as fact? Are you fu*cking kidding me?


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I rather enjoy letting these morons hang out there showing their ignorance for everyone to see.

Did any of these geniuses think to take a look at Public Allies website to find out what they are about? Of course not. They are not interested in truth and facts, only lies and smear. It's so pathetic. The information below comes from their website:

Public Allies is a program that links diverse young Americans who want to make a difference with nonprofit organizations in their communities who need them. In the process, we show young leaders how to turn their passion for making a difference into a viable career path.

Public Allies is an Americorps program.


What is Americorps?
AmeriCorps is a federal program operated by the Corporation for National and Community Service, a federal agency created in 1993 by President Clinton. Since inception, more than 500,000 Americans have participated in AmeriCorps, and 75,000 are participating this year. AmeriCorps provides grants to private nonprofit organizations and schools to contribute to the costs of stipends, benefits, training and other support to Americans serving full-time or part-time meeting critical needs in communities. AmeriCorps is a public-private partnership, so programs are also required to raise matching dollars in their communities.

Every program funded by AmeriCorps is considered an AmeriCorps program, and every participant in an AmeriCorps program is called an AmeriCorps member. Public Allies was identified by former President George H.W. Bush as a model for a national service program in 1992. President Clinton also recognized Public Allies as a model for AmeriCorps, and we were one of the original AmeriCorps programs.


The information below is taken from the Public Allies FAQ link:

Fact Sheet on Public Allies’ History with Senator Barack and Michelle Obama

Public Allies has received many media inquiries about our history with Senator Barack and Michelle Obama, and has been featured in many news stories about them. Following are some details and anecdotes about the Obamas’ history with Public Allies:

• Barack Obama was a member of the founding board of Public Allies. Michelle was the founding Executive Director of Public Allies Chicago from Spring, 1993 until Fall, 1996, and served on our national board of directors from 1997 until 2001. Barack was no longer on the board of Public Allies when Michelle was hired. Before joining Public Allies, she was an attorney at the law firm of Sidley & Austin and Deputy Director of Community Development for the City of Chicago.

• Under Michelle’s leadership, Public Allies Chicago pioneered many elements of Public Allies’ program model. To identify and develop the next generation of Chicago leaders, she recruited young people from housing projects and youth centers as well colleges and universities. Her emphasis on indigenous leadership and belief that all people have potential to lead became a core value of our leadership philosophy. When she left, Public Allies Chicago had a cash reserve, a committed board, a talented young staff, and a network of diverse, talented young leaders in Chicago who continue to serve the community today. Michelle was also a pioneer in the social entrepreneur movement –leaders who create new approaches and organizations to provide new solutions to social problems.

• Along with hiring over a dozen participants in our Ally program and alumni of our program in her subsequent jobs at the University of Chicago and University of Chicago Medical Center, Michelle has continued to advise, coach, donate to, and champion Public Allies. Senator Obama has also been an active volunteer and supporter. Senator Obama has trained several classes of Allies in community organizing, spoken at Public Allies Chicago events, and helped Senator Durbin secure an appropriation from the Department of Justice that successfully helped us better recruit and retain young men of color for our Chicago program and learn practices we are applying nationally.

• Michelle Obama and Public Allies CEO Paul Schmitz were also original faculty members of the Asset-Based Community Development Institute at Northwestern University, led by John McKnight and Jody Kretzmann. John McKnight worked with Barack Obama as an organizer and wrote his Harvard Law School recommendation (see Audacity of Hope, page 360). The Institute has a strategic alliance with Public Allies’ consulting group, The Leadership Practice, through which we provide training and consulting services on how to better identify and mobilize local community assets and participation to strengthen communities.

•Quote from Paul Schmitz, CEO of Public Allies, who worked with Michelle:

“Michelle was an amazing leader and role model for all of us. As a very young staff in the early years, we all emulated Michelle’s incredible combination of professionalism, compassion, critical thinking and commitment to her community. For all of her immense talents, she was also one of the most down-toearth, inclusive, and authentic leaders I’ve ever worked with. She really did believe that everyone could contribute to their communities and that leaders come from all backgrounds and all parts of the community. The Chicago program she pioneered really created the template we all work from today. We are proud of our colleague and wish her well.”

*Senator Clinton hosted a White House reception for Public Allies in April, 1993, and has been a champion of Public Allies and national service. Senator McCain has also been a great champion of national service and has introduced legislation to expand AmeriCorps by more than 200%.

Public Allies is a non-partisan organization and does not endorse candidates for elected office.

Here's the link for anyone who's interested:

http://www.publicallies.org/site/c.l...5/ABOUT_US.htm
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Instead of attacking the source, why not respond to the information. If it is not true, state what is not true and why. Were Barack & Michelle involved with this group? Was the group accurately described?
Instead of attacking ME why don't these idiots substantiate their own assertions about Barack Obama. If you float a bogus editorial opionion as fact shouldn't the burden of proof should fall on you to substantiate it?
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I can do better? You are defending a ghost written editorial opinion from IBD as fact? Are you fu*cking kidding me?
What do you mean by "a ghost written editorial?" Are you implying that the editorial was written by someone other than the editorial page editor of IDB?

You speak of the IDB as something other than a legitimate, mainstream business journal. Do you have information to show they are illegitimate or frequently print things they know to be false?

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The information below is taken from the Public Allies...
Is this your idea of a unbiased & objective source? Nothing you posted disputed the central point of the editorial which was that the organization indoctrinates young people into a far left ideology a la Saul Alinsky.
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