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      09-05-2008, 11:48 AM   #1
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9/11 video at RNC last night

What did you think about it?

I thought it was pretty damn low to use a tragedy of that magnitude to promote your own agenda.

Apparently it is supposed to be a "tribute"....



Oh, and McCain speech last night was the biggest waste of my time. EVER.
It sounded like he was reading a good-night story to his grandchildren.
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What did you think about it?

I thought it was pretty damn low to use a tragedy of that magnitude to promote your own agenda.

Oh, and McCain speech last night was the biggest waste of my time. EVER.
It sounded like he was reading a good-night story to his grandchildren.
I was reserving judgement until I saw the video in question on youtube. Now that I saw it I must agree with you solefald. That was pretty messed up for the RNC to show a video like that during a presidential run. Fearmongering at its best, and truely inappropriate for its purpose that night.
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this administration, the republic administration, used 911 the lowest way to keep people frightened so they stay in power.
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I was reserving judgement until I saw the video in question on youtube. Now that I saw it I must agree with you solefald. That was pretty messed up for the RNC to show a video like that during a presidential run. Fearmongering at its best, and truely inappropriate for its purpose that night.
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How dare the evil Republicans mention the single most significant day in the last 50 years of American history, the defining moment of our age? We are a nation at war. I realize that little fact does not fit into Obama's comfort zone but that by no means puts it out of bounds. We are electing a Commander in Chief, are we not?

I personally found it offensive that the Democrats seemed to forget what happened that day and offered no plan to see that something like that never happened again.
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We are a nation at war
Because of the people like you.
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Because of the people like you.
I am interested in hearing how this is so?

How long have there been animosities which set the stage for the subject event and put us in this current state?
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Because of the people like you.
I blew up embassies in Africa, attacked the USS Cole, or flew airplanes into buildings?
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Shameless.

On the other hand, let them do whatever...we musn't be afraid.

If American people are scared, they can't be free. We'll see come November..

Remember, remember the 4th of November.....
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How dare the evil Republicans mention the single most significant day in the last 50 years of American history
I don't have an issue mentioning 9/11 and talking about why its still relevant for their "cause"...but showing 5 mins of video footage of the event is a little much.
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I blew up embassies in Africa, attacked the USS Cole, or flew airplanes into buildings?
What exactly does that have to do with the current war we are in?
I don't see a connection between those 3 events and a current war in Iraq.
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On the other hand, let them do whatever...we musn't be afraid.

If American people are scared, they can't be free. We'll see come November..

Remember, remember the 4th of November.....
Personally, I was a bit mixed. I can see it from both sides putting me on a fence which I suspect I will balance on for a while. Unless another attack happens soon.
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What exactly does that have to do with the current war we are in?
I don't see a connection between those 3 events and a current war in Iraq.
Without getting into the connection battle, we are still faced with the matter of the War on Terrorism.
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Without getting into the connection battle, we are still faced with the matter of the War on Terrorism.
So you are saying that wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will get rid of terrorism once and for all? I bet we will win that one any day now... just like we won the war on drugs.
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So you are saying that wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will get rid of terrorism once and for all? I bet we will win that one any day now... just like we won the war on drugs.
I cannot say. But doing nothing, with the way things were progressing, would have been worse IMO. Destruction of the West had been declared and gaining ground by minority leaderships. This was evidenced by the progressive nature of attacks which would never have stopped regardless of actions or inactions.
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I cannot say. But doing nothing, with the way things were progressing, would have been worse IMO. Destruction of the West had been declared and gaining ground by minority leaderships. This was evidenced by the progressive nature of attacks which would never have stopped regardless of actions or inactions.
Look, if it was really about terrorism, why haven't we found Osama bin Laden? It's been 7 YEARS!

Somehow we got sidetracked from that, and now US military is in another country dying, while "building democracy". Wait... i thought it was about war on terror, not building democracy... did i miss something? Is democracy in Iraq more important than lives of 4,000 US soldiers? What happened to the war on terror???


And WE ARE not at war with anyone or anything. This government is
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Look, if it was really about terrorism, why haven't we found Osama bin Laden? It's been 7 YEARS!

Somehow we got sidetracked from that, and now US military is in another country dying, while "building democracy". Wait... i thought it was about war on terror, not building democracy... did i miss something? Is democracy in Iraq more important than lives of 4,000 US soldiers? What happened to the war on terror???
The actions have multi-faceted origins. It is not a singular matter and we forgot to include oil in the equation as well.
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The actions have multi-faceted origins. It is not a singular matter and we forgot to include oil in the equation as well.
Exactly. It's a war for Iraq's oil, under buzzwords of War on Terror and Building Democracy.

Just like Dick Cheney is in Georgia to hand them $1 BILLION, that American's can use for their own needs. Even McCain said last night how he will protect a small democratic country of Georgia from Russian aggression.... so they can get their pipeline. Face it, US is ALL about oil. They just want to build another pipeline outside Russian borders via Georgia and Ukraine, so they can also hold Europe by the balls to promote their NATO agenda.
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What exactly does that have to do with the current war we are in?
I don't see a connection between those 3 events and a current war in Iraq.
Quite a bit. 9/11 changed what was considered an acceptable risk and what was not.

The purpose of the military action taken by the US after 9/11 was not to punish those who perpetrated the attacks but to do whatever was possible to make sure that nothing like those attacks happened again.

9/11 altered the paradigm on terrorism. Before 9/11, terrorist attacks were generally focused more on making a statement rather than creating mass casualties. This preconception was shattered by the attacks that realistically could have killed ten times those they actually did. This new understanding made the threat of a lawless regime with a history of defying the international community, supporting international terrorists, and using WMD no longer one we could accept.
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Exactly. It's a war for Iraq's oil, under buzzwords of War on Terror and Building Democracy.

Just like Dick Cheney is in Georgia to hand them $1 BILLION, that American's can use for their own needs. Even McCain said last night how he will protect a small democratic country of Georgia from Russian aggression.... so they can get their pipeline. Face it, US is ALL about oil. They just want to build another pipeline outside Russian borders via Georgia and Ukraine, so they can also hold Europe by the balls to promote their NATO agenda.
I wouldn't disagree that oil hasn't played a part in it. But as I said, it is multi-faceted. Yes, attacks on the US promoted portions of it as well as lack of compliance by Iraq. Add to that the growing control of extremists in the region and it becomes a complicated matter.

But yes, why is oil not important. People speak as though it is nothing to them but our lives currently revolve around it. What if the oil from the Middle East were straggled by an extremist organization? It would hit all markets, particularly Europe, with devastation. Yes, we need to look for alternative energies but we concurrently have to look at today.
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Is terrorism really that much different than the anarchists who have been bombing around the world a long time before the term terrorist came into fashion?
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