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      09-03-2008, 08:48 PM   #1
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does it really matter?

or is it just fun messing around with people

mccain, obama...we all like to think there are philisophical differences that will make a difference...BS...neither can implement any change, let alone unify us...look at the mess the last 7.5 years has been, and the results...

if mccain is elected, he'll be rendered moot by dem congress
obama, he'll have a better chance at getting things done, whether we agree with those things or not
but we've been stagnent, a stalemate

but neither of them can do much, the system is too large and has too much inertia...

so does it matter? my perspective

neither can do much good...

imho though, mccain can do much bad
economy, world standing, death/destruction
foisting the parties moral values on others, divisive...

obama I feel will be more deliberate and cautious...not wreckless like we've seen recently...'dead or alive', 'bring 'em on', etc....that's sophmorish rhetoric...but still relatively ineffective...

I feel both will keep us as 'safe' as they can...nobody can stop a 9/11 sucker punch...the reason there has not been another? because they got what they wanted...us at war, our economy failing, and us divided...they got 4000+ of us since then...not to mention x00,000 Iraqi civies...a 'good' thing?

remember bush? mission accomplished! 3 months <50 bil
5+ years later 500+ bil (expected long term 2 tril) and no end in sight...
and Iraq will have their civil war when we leave, it's inevitable...
shiites will genocide the sunnis, and the sunnis will fight like hell for survival, the Iranians will take a side...voila, bad mess...

so all you guys who think 'your' guy will make a difference
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the problem is definitely not who is at the top, the entire system is failing.
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      09-03-2008, 08:58 PM   #3
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the problem is definitely not who is at the top, the entire system is failing.
imo the biggest issue?
our educational system is going to hell in a handbag...
we can't 'think' anymore...
we are ranked low in std test scores...
people have 10 sec attention spans
no discipline...instant gratification, debt out the wazoo

it's not only the US, but it does seem accelerated here...
the decline of western civilization...
what goes up, must come down...
and the division of the country along ideological/religious/political lines is the first (and last) step

someone better blink first
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