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      08-20-2008, 04:54 PM   #23
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      08-20-2008, 06:46 PM   #24
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2009 e92 Coupe and e93 Conv Ordering Guides are out today 8/20 in the US on CenterNet. Not sure about the M3's. Call your dealer to get the poop.

For a M3 consider insurance for a Coupe might be $5K in LA and half that for a Sedan.
Plus the Extended Warranty and Maintenance to 6 yrs 100K miles is close to $8-9K for an M3.

In general, some dealers over ordered M3 6 speed models before gas hit near $5 a gallon this summer. BMW only started producing DCT M3's in May-June, so they are in short supply in the US.

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      08-20-2008, 08:12 PM   #25
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Good luck Irb.
Let me rephrase that......if anyone has any info on getting one at or NEAR invoice, I'm all ears.
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      08-20-2008, 08:50 PM   #26
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      08-20-2008, 09:33 PM   #27
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He was already in the Military, haha. Just contact the dealers like I did.
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      08-20-2008, 10:10 PM   #28
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Invoice or MSRP? If invoice great job buddy


INVOICE, INVOICE, INVOICE,
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      08-20-2008, 10:17 PM   #29
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Captain, I'm in the market, and if I could get a nicely option sedan with DCT @ invoice I'd be ordering immediately. If you could help with this feel free to PM me with any info. I'm not sure where the dealership is that you purchased from, but I'd do a Performance Center delivery, since they PCD is within a days driving distance from me.

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PM me, and I will tell you WHO, and where.

and no it's not in sunny cal. lol come to the midwest and have the car shipped. you will save $$$$$$$$$$$ over buying in sunny earth cracking country.



don't let anybody shit you. you can get one for just about INVOICE anywhere around here. I did $1000 over INVOICE before my problem. now an 09 at INVOICE.

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      08-20-2008, 10:48 PM   #30
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I think overall the M3 market is a bit uncertain right now with the issues with the economy, gas prices, dealers having too many '08's on the lots, and '09's right around the corner.. it was amazing to watch how in only a few months, new cars went from $5k-$10k markup over MSRP, to MSRP, to a few thousand below MSRP.

In the NY/NJ tri-state area, no one is selling new M3's for invoice. At most, you're getting $1,500 - $2,000 off MSRP. Maybe in some rural midwest town you can find one, but I think those deals are few and far between.

What's really interesting is that the used market today is really the bargain opportunity for someone seeking an E90/E92 M3 in my opinion. Obviously, I could be a bit biased since I'm selling my '08, but if you look at the state of the used market, $6k - $10k off MSRP is quite a deal for a car who's only negative is a a few thousand miles. All of the M's out there are only a few months old so warranty periods are affected by a few months. If most of them out there are anything like my car, they're in like-new condition.

I think those that are holding out for new iDrive and the rest of the '09 upgrades and who are willing to pay 10k more than a slightly used one are throwing money away.. there are some great deals out there on like-new M3's .. trust me, I know, because the person that takes my car will be getting a helluva deal on a like-new car..
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      08-20-2008, 11:06 PM   #31
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INVOICE, INVOICE, INVOICE,
I paid $1500 below invoice. No bs. I have windows sticker and bill of sale to prove.
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I paid $1500 below invoice. No bs. I have windows sticker and bill of sale to prove.
I was just quoted INVOICE for loaded car. The problem is its 2008 6-speed manual.

With LA traffic to deal with on a daily basis who wants that ...
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I paid $1500 below invoice. No bs. I have windows sticker and bill of sale to prove.
Which dealership?
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I was just quoted INVOICE for loaded car. The problem is its 2008 6-speed manual.

With LA traffic to deal with on a daily basis who wants that ...
I don't know if you've driven the 6MT yet, but if not, you might be pleasantly surprised. I has a nice, light action that won't wear your leg out in stop and go traffic.
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      08-21-2008, 12:01 AM   #35
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I paid $1500 below invoice. No bs. I have windows sticker and bill of sale to prove.
Good going, BUT,


Don't kid yourself. THEY STILL MADE MONEY.
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Maybe, but remember you guys are talking Ford and GM. I am not saying BMW does not have factory incentives, just that there's no evidence yet that that is the case. An M3 sold at invoice could just be to get the car off the lot so the dealer can get out from under the finance charge. Not saying you are wrong, I am just saying its possible that the dealer really did let the car go with basically zero profit.
Might very well be true however, Both my 08, and my 09 were ordered cars and not in stock? Waited 60 days for the first car, and now waiting for the second.
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      08-21-2008, 12:15 PM   #37
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Only a dealer will know if they are getting back door cash. But obviously for legal reasons they wont post it on here.
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      08-21-2008, 01:10 PM   #38
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That might become a reality sooner than you think.
I've been waiting on the sidelines betting for the above possibility...

Anyway, about cars: I don't see any dealer incentives listed for the M3 on edmunds.com. So at a first glance the dealer is not making a profit, but I understand there are all sorts of other benefits. I believe dealers get perks from BMW based on sales volume. And I think there are some financing issues that work to their advantage if the car doesn't have to sit on the lot at all.
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I've been waiting on the sidelines betting for the above possibility...

Anyway, about cars: I don't see any dealer incentives listed for the M3 on edmunds.com. So at a first glance the dealer is not making a profit, but I understand there are all sorts of other benefits. I believe dealers get perks from BMW based on sales volume. And I think there are some financing issues that work to their advantage if the car doesn't have to sit on the lot at all.
The less a car sits on the lot, the less the dealer has to pay in overhead and inventory taxes. Dealers, including BMW, do get paid to move certain volumes of cars off the lot. There are also other types of incentives.
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The less a car sits on the lot, the less the dealer has to pay in overhead and inventory taxes. Dealers, including BMW, do get paid to move certain volumes of cars off the lot. There are also other types of incentives.
Yes, and one thing Captain Scott should check is if the dealer is going to slap on a bunch of bogus fees before delivery.
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The less a car sits on the lot, the less the dealer has to pay in overhead and inventory taxes. Dealers, including BMW, do get paid to move certain volumes of cars off the lot. There are also other types of incentives.
Also, trade-ins. If you are trading in a car they can make their money by low-balling you.
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      08-21-2008, 05:58 PM   #42
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Also, trade-ins. If you are trading in a car they can make their money by low-balling you.
You know, that is a very good point. I want to be honest and say that I did trade my 07 Porshe 997 Twin Turbo in for the M3.

I can tell you this however, the dealer was very fair in my trade, as I would only have made a few thousand more by selling the car on Ebay.

As I have said before, please remember that the only reason that I got the 09 for invoice was all the problems I had with the 08 E93 that I bought last month / Stalling three times, and the transmission warnings while driving home from the dealership in the new car.The car was returned less then 12 hours later!

My deal on the 08 was $1000 over INVOICE, and the dealer left me on my own to find a car to drive for a few month's as they could not give me a loaner car for that long.

You have to look at the whole story to understand why they gave me the 09 for invoice.

Hope this clears the matter up for everyone.

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      08-21-2008, 08:40 PM   #43
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You know, that is a very good point. I want to be honest and say that I did trade my 07 Porshe 997 Twin Turbo in for the M3.
I can tell you this however, the dealer was very fair in my trade, as I would only have made a few thousand more by selling the car on Ebay.

Except you probably made more on the trade, than just selling it, due to the sales tax credit you received towards the '09 M3 purchase (my state is 8.1%)
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