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      08-02-2008, 09:49 AM   #1
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US Border Guards can take your electronics without probably cause!

Did you guys know that the Department of Fatherland Security - I mean Homeland Security can take your electronics without probable cause - on a whim? This applies to US Citizens too.

Here is the Washington Post article....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...103030_pf.html

What would American Patriots be saying if China did that?

Another reason, as if I needed one, not to not visit the US. I hope the US regains it's sanity soon.... The US used to be a great place once upon a time.
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      08-02-2008, 10:09 AM   #2
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Did you guys know that the Department of Fatherland Security - I mean Homeland Security can take your electronics without probable cause - on a whim? This applies to US Citizens too.

Here is the Washington Post article....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...103030_pf.html

What would American Patriots be saying if China did that?

Another reason, as if I needed one, not to not visit the US. I hope the US regains it's sanity soon.... The US used to be a great place once upon a time.
Times they are a changing. 10 years from now, America will be a different place.
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      08-02-2008, 10:55 AM   #3
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Times they are a changing. 10 years from now, America will be a different place.
it is very different from 15 years ago.
Unfortunately, other change positive way, we go the opposite way in most categories...
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i heard about this on cbc website. the US has become a corporation run police state. it's a terrible price to pay for a false sense of security.
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I can't see what you are saying .... since, you are on my ignore list.... but it's more likely you are from 'The Great White Crapper North', so I just have to say ..... please, stay where you are!!

I guess I would be bitter too if I couldn't win the Stanley Cup, and my best hockey player now lives in AZ.
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This is nothing new. The government has always had the ability to search persons and papers crossing the border. The Supreme Court has stated that:
The authority of the United States to search the baggage of arriving international travelers is based on its inherent sovereign authority to protect its territorial integrity. By reason of that authority, it is entitled to require that whoever seeks entry must establish the right to enter and to bring into the country whatever he may carry.
Torres v. Puerto Rico, 442 U.S. 465, 472-73 (1979)

Every nation I have ever traveled to (including Canada) has maintained the authority to the same.
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shyte, they want to make us safer start collecting all the guns from US citizens...
keys fro drinkers
and a few medical licenses

victims of terrorism in the US for the last 10 years...3000

victims of America's mental health issues inflicted on each other in the last 10 years...200k
dui deaths...100k
medical mistakes...10 mil+

we need to learn to pick our fights better...
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shyte, they want to make us safer start collecting all the guns from US citizens...
keys fro drinkers
and a few medical licenses

victims of terrorism in the US for the last 10 years...3000

victims of America's mental health issues inflicted on each other in the last 10 years...200k
dui deaths...100k
medical mistakes...10 mil+

we need to learn to pick our fights better...
You just suggested 1 million people die every year due to medical mistakes. That's complete and utter bullshit. Additionally, removing guns from law abiding citizens will do little to prevent criminals from getting them.
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You just suggested 1 million people die every year due to medical mistakes. That's complete and utter bullshit. Additionally, removing guns from law abiding citizens will do little to prevent criminals from getting them.
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...jury_in_us.htm
http://www.healthgrades.com/media/DM...ease072704.pdf
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/mistakes/common.htm

"They are too common. Although exact estimates are difficult to find, it is not surprising that an industry as stretched, complex, and burdened as the medical industry is fraught with errors. Many errors go unreported and tracking their exact prevalence is difficult. Nevertheless, bearing in mind that about 2.5 million deaths occur annually in the USA, here are some of the statistics and death rate estimates from various reports: "

WHy don't you do a little research before TRYING to sound smart... He may have exaggerated a bit (probably meant 1M+), but he's not very much off to call it what you did... And you missed the point of his post...

Medical mistake is a broad term...
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You just suggested 1 million people die every year due to medical mistakes. That's complete and utter bullshit. Additionally, removing guns from law abiding citizens will do little to prevent criminals from getting them.
200k alone in hospital procedures...
twice as many from mis-diagnosis
twice again, mis-medication...

now THAT is some 'utter BS'

I said guns from everyone, not just the law abiding
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Art PE....the perfect example of a medical mistake!
did your mom have any kids that lived?
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http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...jury_in_us.htm
http://www.healthgrades.com/media/DM...ease072704.pdf
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/mistakes/common.htm

"They are too common. Although exact estimates are difficult to find, it is not surprising that an industry as stretched, complex, and burdened as the medical industry is fraught with errors. Many errors go unreported and tracking their exact prevalence is difficult. Nevertheless, bearing in mind that about 2.5 million deaths occur annually in the USA, here are some of the statistics and death rate estimates from various reports: "

WHy don't you do a little research before TRYING to sound smart... He may have exaggerated a bit (probably meant 1M+), but he's not very much off to call it what you did... And you missed the point of his post...

Medical mistake is a broad term...
The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States.

people just keep their heads in the sand...don't they
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