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      07-13-2008, 11:50 AM   #23
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yea, i posted too early. good thing sensible people came along and voted
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      07-13-2008, 04:27 PM   #25
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Yeah, staying in Iraq and leaving Iraq is the same thing....
OBAMA ISNT LEAVING IRAQ.

AND WHOEVER RESPONDED TO ME SORRY BUDDY BUT GOVT CONTROL OF AMERICAN FINANCES IS BAD.


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      07-13-2008, 04:33 PM   #26
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Obama is a snake-oil salesman in a nice suit. That guy just says what people want to hear, like any other politician. However, because he is such a charismatic speaker, people just swoon over him and buy into everything he says no questions asked. He is going to be in WAY over his head IF he is elected.
totally agree in the telling everyone what they want to hear part. Obama is a complete bullshitter. Zero experience. Income tax going up to 52% FTMFL. I make a million bucks and i get 480k? Absolute Bullshit.
This makes a point also
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      07-13-2008, 04:49 PM   #27
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Move this to the political section. I hate political debates.
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totally agree in the telling everyone what they want to hear part. Obama is a complete bullshitter. Zero experience. Income tax going up to 52% FTMFL. I make a million bucks and i get 480k? Absolute Bullshit.
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WHat do you know about making money???
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      07-13-2008, 04:56 PM   #29
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lol Wow!!

Ill second on that quote about obama being a bullshitter!!
Alot of people ive talked to lately on this topic says the same thing that and this country isnt ready to have a black president is a whole nother can of worms!! lolol
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Obama is a snake-oil salesman in a nice suit. That guy just says what people want to hear, like any other politician. However, because he is such a charismatic speaker, people just swoon over him and buy into everything he says no questions asked. He is going to be in WAY over his head IF he is elected.
I guess all politicians will say anything to win but Obama scares me because he keeps changing his stance on things so Mccain will be bad but Obama could be worse...
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OBAMA ISNT LEAVING IRAQ.

AND WHOEVER RESPONDED TO ME SORRY BUDDY BUT GOVT CONTROL OF AMERICAN FINANCES IS BAD.


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Obama is leaving Iraq.....

Government intervention of certain finance companies is better than those same companies going bankrupt and all of those people losing their homes because the companies that take over their loans will jack up the interest rates. Once again, learn something about finance and accounting before you speak about it.
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      07-13-2008, 08:01 PM   #32
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Obama is leaving Iraq.....

Government intervention of certain finance companies is better than those same companies going bankrupt and all of those people losing their homes because the companies that take over their loans will jack up the interest rates. Once again, learn something about finance and accounting before you speak about it.
Most recent obama deceleration was that he does not feel he will be able to pull out of iraq immediately http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11517.html. Especially after we hit iran http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4322508.ece

The entire reason the company went down in the first place was a run on it because of a letter from a senator whom attended bilderberg 08 with ben bernake. Maybe you should learn about the fed.
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Most recent obama deceleration was that he does not feel he will be able to pull out of iraq immediately
Of course we cant pull out immediately but at least he wants to get the hell outta there. McCain thinks that there is something to be won there.....
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obama isnt going to win
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Of course we cant pull out immediately but at least he wants to get the hell outta there. McCain thinks that there is something to be won there.....
And judging by reports from our forces as well as the Iraqi forces and government, we've just about won. It's gotten to the point where the Iraqi's can pretty much handle it themselves from here on out. This is going to come back to bite Obama because a lot of our troops will already be out by the time the election rolls around. McCain's support of the surge will really help him since it obviously worked.
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And judging by reports from our forces as well as the Iraqi forces and government, we've just about won. It's gotten to the point where the Iraqi's can pretty much handle it themselves from here on out. This is going to come back to bite Obama because a lot of our troops will already be out by the time the election rolls around. McCain's support of the surge will really help him since it obviously worked.
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And judging by reports from our forces as well as the Iraqi forces and government, we've just about won. It's gotten to the point where the Iraqi's can pretty much handle it themselves from here on out. This is going to come back to bite Obama because a lot of our troops will already be out by the time the election rolls around. McCain's support of the surge will really help him since it obviously worked.
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Fuq it, Obama is the lesser of two evils...McCain is not even a real "Republican", he's a black sheep. All the righties are going with him because they don't have a choice. How about we start spending time on getting our own shit straight before trying to fix other countries? Out with Iraq FTMFW.
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Same shit different F'n pile.. god help The United States of America.
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Obama is leaving Iraq.....
There are three possible ways for a nation to leave a battlefield; negotiate, win, or surrender.

What way is Obama proposing?
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FALSE FALSE FALSE
True True True. Two can play at that game.

If you want to contest a point, how about some sources? To be fair, I didn't provide any sources when I made the statement, but you can't just scream "FALSE" and it'll be false. Hell, even Obama admits the surge is working. (Hence his change in position)
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There are three possible ways for a nation to leave a battlefield; negotiate, win, or surrender.

What way is Obama proposing?
If Obama wins, you'll lose a lot of money, and be out of a job.

You may have to find another career. Or just live off your pension.

Why do former servicemen get such big pensions? My friend is retiring at age 41, living off my taxes.

Oh yeah, you get shot at.
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If Obama wins, you'll lose a lot of money, and be out of a job.

You may have to find another career. Or just live off your pension.

Why do former servicemen get such big pensions? My friend is retiring at age 41, living off my taxes.

Oh yeah, you get shot at.
If Obama wins I lose money because he will raise my taxes along with everyone else. My job has little to nothing to do with the current fight so that is not an issue.

Congrats to your friend, tell I said welcome to the world of the blue ID card.
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I'm not crazy about either candidate, but I am someone who falls in the middle when it comes to my political views, and I believe that being on either end of the spectrum as a liberal or conservative is a BAD thing when it comes to electing a president. The fact that Obama has even been considered to be one of the most, if not the most, liberal senator is enough for me to never vote for him. I have listened to him preach about all of his change that he loves to talk about, but I really don't hear anything too good from his charismatic speeches.

For me, I don't need government handouts and I don't want someone who is looking to raise my taxes to fund them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not doing backflips over McCain, but at least the guy isn't ultra conservative as Obama is liberal, and the fact that he has experience in the military and is willing to say how it is when it comes to a realistic plan for Iraq (and not just spewing out what the people want to hear that he will be out of there in X amount of days, or has that point changed since he does like to change his position on things pretty often ). I also like how he is willing to compromise to get things passed, as he has shown as a senator in the past. His ideas behind ending pork barreling are pretty nice too if he would actually carry them out.

Basically, both aren't too great, but from what I see and hear I believe that Obama is a bullshit artist, and I really don't want a president that will just tell me what I want to hear because I already have plenty of politicians in lower political offices that do that for me already. Although it would be nice to have a president who is willing to give me a pound instead of shaking my hand... maybe that's just one of the small, but more effective changes that he has planned. I kid, I kid.
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