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      07-10-2008, 12:38 AM   #1
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Bogus Fees

I'm looking at the fees for the purchase order and was wondering what you think about these fees.

Vehicle Inventory Tax: 157.81
Smog Fee: 21.75
Deputy: 5.00
Documentation Fee: 50.00
Road and Bridge: 11.50

Are they mandatory or bogus?
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      07-10-2008, 05:54 AM   #2
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I'm looking at the fees for the purchase order and was wondering what you think about these fees.

Vehicle Inventory Tax: 157.81
Smog Fee: 21.75
Deputy: 5.00
Documentation Fee: 50.00
Road and Bridge: 11.50

Are they mandatory or bogus?
I think all fees are cost of doing business, so i say bogus, I got MSRP - discount + actual dmv temp tag cost
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$50 doc fee is ok but the rest are kind of bs. I am in Texas too and they got me a few years ago with that vehicle inventory tax. When I asked about it, the guy said "It is a real tax. Don't you know they state would kill us if we tried to say something was a tax and wasn't?" and he starts laughing. He then pulls out this bs sheet of paper he printed off the state of Texas website explaining the tax. I agree to pay and an hour or so later I sign the contract. The Lexus form contract has in big, bold letters something about "A vehicle inventory tax is something charged by the state of Texas to all dealers but it is NOT mandatory that the dealer pass this tax along to the consumer." (or something like that). Basically, it is much different than a sales tax but dealers try to get sneaky. I was so pissed at this guy but ended up conceding. I would ask them for a copy of their contract because my guess is that the state has gone after dealers for this and makes them disclose in bold now. Let us know what you find out. I will be facing this same issue when my car arrives next month I'm sure.
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I'm looking at the fees for the purchase order and was wondering what you think about these fees.

Vehicle Inventory Tax: 157.81
Smog Fee: 21.75
Deputy: 5.00
Documentation Fee: 50.00
Road and Bridge: 11.50

Are they mandatory or bogus?

Stealerships...FTMFL...

The only fee that is consistent across the country is GGT...everything else is state specific...

Ask them if they are willing to lose a sale over $200...
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      07-10-2008, 10:35 AM   #5
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I posted similar question earlier.

I think if you negotiate from the "xxx amount over invoice" dealership will throw these fees at you as their "cost"

So maybe it's easier (and more clear) to go the "xxx amount below MSRP" route.

I was told all southern California dealerships participate in MACO and Training fees...
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I got them to take off the Vehicle Inventory Tax. Granted, it isn't much but who wants to pay more than necessary right? Thanks for the suggestions everybody. Going to pick it up tomorrow at 2PM.
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Fusion, are you buying your M3 at Garlyn Shelton in College Station? This would be interesting to know because that's where I have my order.

The documentation fee of $50 isn't too bad. I believe Texas limits it to that amount by law. Dealerships in most other states where I've bought cars have charged more. As you know, there's a ton of paperwork to complete for the purchase, registration, etc. for your new car. Arguably, it's a cost of doing business, but you're probably not going to get out of this one.

The vehicle inventory tax is complete BS. That's a fee the dealership has to pay to the state based on what they have on their lot (one of the reasons dealers don't like having inventory sitting around for too long). That's their cost of doing business -- they're basically adding profit to the deal after your negotiations are complete. If my dealer tries to throw that in, I will walk away.

The Deputy Fee pays for the cost of going down to the tax/registration office to file your paperwork. They should also cover this, but there's not much point in haggling over $5. You could go file the paperwork yourself, but your time is worth more than the $5.

The Road and Bridge Fee is a fee assessed by the county and is legitimate.

I'm pretty sure that Texas doesn't have a "smog fee" and that this is utter BS. I know California charges a significant smog fee, and I could be wrong, but I really don't think Texas does. I would definitely challenge this as well, even though it's less than $22. It's the principle of the matter.

EDIT: Correction, the "smog fee" is simply the state inspection fee, which is legitimate.
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No, I am buying it at BMW of Houston North. Are you in College Station too?

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Fusion, are you buying your M3 at Garlyn Shelton in College Station? This would be interesting to know because that's where I have my order.

The documentation fee of $50 isn't too bad. I believe Texas limits it to that amount by law. Dealerships in most other states where I've bought cars have charged more. As you know, there's a ton of paperwork to complete for the purchase, registration, etc. for your new car. Arguably, it's a cost of doing business, but you're probably not going to get out of this one.

The vehicle inventory tax is complete BS. That's a fee the dealership has to pay to the state based on what they have on their lot (one of the reasons dealers don't like having inventory sitting around for too long). That's their cost of doing business -- they're basically adding profit to the deal after your negotiations are complete. If my dealer tries to throw that in, I will walk away.

The Deputy Fee pays for the cost of going down to the tax/registration office to file your paperwork. They should also cover this, but there's not much point in haggling over $5. You could go file the paperwork yourself, but your time is worth more than the $5.

The Road and Bridge Fee is a fee assessed by the county and is legitimate.

I'm pretty sure that Texas doesn't have a "smog fee" and that this is utter BS. I know California charges a significant smog fee, and I could be wrong, but I really don't think Texas does. I would definitely challenge this as well, even though it's less than $22. It's the principle of the matter.
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No, I am buying it at BMW of Houston North. Are you in College Station too?
Nope, I live in the middle of Houston. We're making the same trek, but in opposite directions. Did you buy off the lot or was it a special order?
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It was a special order. Kinda funny you're coming here to get yours and I'm going there. Although you have a lot more patience than me since you're waiting till 09'.

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Nope, I live in the middle of Houston. We're making the same trek, but in opposite directions. Did you buy off the lot or was it a special order?
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I've never had much luck negotiating with the Houston BMW dealerships; this will be my second purchase from GS.

I've got a lot on my plate keeping me busy right now, but when I get back from my honeymoon in early August, it definitely will be a very long two months to wait for my car to arrive.

What do your build specs look like?
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What about you and at what price? Mine was for MSRP back in March. They tried to adjust the price again for the small increase but called them on it.

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I've never had much luck negotiating with the Houston BMW dealerships; this will be my second purchase from GS.

I've got a lot on my plate keeping me busy right now, but when I get back from my honeymoon in early August, it definitely will be a very long two months to wait for my car to arrive.

What do your build specs look like?
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Best I could get inside Houston was $500 under MSRP on a special order. I was able to get $1,XXX under MSRP plus some freebies over at GS. Hopefully, the '09 prices don't change too much.
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