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      07-07-2008, 07:03 AM   #45
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Yes, we will be outraged. We don't deserve to be attacked.
but others do???
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but others do???
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Please point to the spot in my post where I said others deserved to be attacked. If you can't find it, try to find the spot where I insinuated that others DO deserved to be attacked. If you can't find that either, then please learn to read and DO NOT call me ignorant.

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Please point to the spot in my post where I said others deserved to be attacked. If you can't find it, try to find the spot where I insinuated that others DO deserved to be attacked. If you can't find that either, then please learn to read and DO NOT call me ignorant.

I'm not sure what his point is (that is not surprising since I am fairly certain he NEVER has a point ...) but some people/nations DO deserve to be attacked.
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Please point to the spot in my post where I said others deserved to be attacked. If you can't find it, try to find the spot where I insinuated that others DO deserved to be attacked. If you can't find that either, then please learn to read and DO NOT call me ignorant.

How about you go to YOUR post #40, re read that IGNORANT post, put your ass into the place where my school friend lost his innocent life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bo...ia_headquarter), and TRY to care a little bit more... for the attrocities we did and a piece of your and my taxpayer money did...
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Yes, we will be outraged. We don't deserve to be attacked.
US arrogance that needs to be spanked from time to time.
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Donīt think China was ever attacked!!! It was China that attacked into North Korea to expel US forces. Right?
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Fact: We bombed a crap load of countries.

Fact: We did kill a lot of innocent people.

Fact: A lot of countries don't like us, to put it mildly.

Fact: American people don't like to think of their country as being an aggressor, so it gets sold to public up as "spreading democracy", "defending freedom" etc.

Lets face the facts. US uses war to demonstrate dominance and as a money making tool for big corporations.

We did kill a lot of innocent people...you can spin it however you want, we still did.

If you don't have problem with all this, at least grow a pair and admit you like the idea of dominance and killing. Because that's what we are doing.

If you don't have problem with all this, at least grow a pair and admit you like the idea of dominance and killing. Because that's what we're doing.
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If you don't have problem with all this, at least grow a pair and admit you like the idea of dominance and killing. Because that's what we're doing.
I see it slightly different.

If there is an international force that has to be dominant, I prefer it to be US than China, USSR or even M-E. This still doesn't excuse the crimes that some bastards from the US did (basically anything that attacks cities at large with approximate means).
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These countries have been attacked by the US since WWII.

http://www.shorttext.com/ktt589
Korea and China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-1961, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1983-84, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Iran 1987, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991, Kuwait 1991, Somalia 1993, Bosnia 1994, 1995, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, Yugoslavia 1999, Yemen 2002, Iraq 1991-2003, Iraq 2003-05, Afghanistan 2001-05


Countries that have attacked the US: Big Fat Zero.

Terrorist Outfits that have attacked the US: One.
Yeah, someday the US will clash with one of the military superpowers like Russia and they we're fucked.
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Yeah, someday the US will clash with one of the military superpowers like Russia and they we're fucked.


Since Russia currently has absolutely no ability to project power, where and how do you foresee us being f'd?
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Yes, we will be outraged. We don't deserve to be attacked.
I seriously hope you were sarcastic with this remark.

If you weren't, then maybe you'd like to explain how the US is "better" than other countries and we don't "deserve" to be attacked.
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Since Russia currently has absolutely no ability to project power, where and how do you foresee us being f'd?
How do they not have any ability to project power? They don't have as much money as the US does, but their military is fantastic.

Explain.
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I seriously hope you were sarcastic with this remark.

If you weren't, then maybe you'd like to explain how the US is "better" than other countries and we don't "deserve" to be attacked.
Where did he say we were superior to other countries? All he said we don't deserve to be attacked. Only referring to us with no implications of other countries. No country deserves to be attacked. But, the fact of the matter is that will never happen. I just wish we could go back to our roots and only attack countries/groups that attack us first. But, that would first require getting rid of all nuclear technology as we're forced to do preemptive attacks if we suspect a hostile country has nuclear weapons and plans to use them.
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How do they not have any ability to project power? They don't have as much money as the US does, but their military is fantastic.

Explain.
They have no blue water navy to speak of. They have little to no strategic airlift. In a word they lack the ability to deploy any military power from there to anywhere else.

The level of training for their ground forces is lacking at anything beyond brigade/regimental level. The training of their aircrews is well below that of most European nations, and that in itself is significantly below that of the US.

The Russians have some fine military equipment but for the foreseeable future they are not a military threat to the US outside of a nuclear confrontation or a land battle on the Russian homeland.
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How do they not have any ability to project power? They don't have as much money as the US does, but their military is fantastic.

Explain.
They have no blue water navy to speak of. They have little to no strategic airlift. In a word they lack the ability to deploy any military power from there to anywhere else.

The level of training for their ground forces is lacking at anything beyond brigade/regimental level. The training of their aircrews is well below that of most European nations, and that in itself is significantly below that of the US.

The Russians have some fine military equipment but for the foreseeable future they are not a military threat to the US outside of a nuclear confrontation or a land battle on the Russian homeland.
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Where did he say we were superior to other countries? All he said we don't deserve to be attacked. Only referring to us with no implications of other countries. No country deserves to be attacked. But, the fact of the matter is that will never happen. I just wish we could go back to our roots and only attack countries/groups that attack us first. But, that would first require getting rid of all nuclear technology as we're forced to do preemptive attacks if we suspect a hostile country has nuclear weapons and plans to use them.
Funny how that works, the US has never been attacked but yet, they attacked plenty of other countries. Reminds me of some of the ancient empires that wanted power and land, so they went to war.

The US has never won a war in my book.
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Funny how that works, the US has never been attacked but yet, they attacked plenty of other countries. Reminds me of some of the ancient empires that wanted power and land, so they went to war.

The US has never won a war in my book.
The US has never been attacked??

I wonder what is in that book of yours.
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They have no blue water navy to speak of. They have little to no strategic airlift. In a word they lack the ability to deploy any military power from there to anywhere else.

The level of training for their ground forces is lacking at anything beyond brigade/regimental level. The training of their aircrews is well below that of most European nations, and that in itself is significantly below that of the US.

The Russians have some fine military equipment but for the foreseeable future they are not a military threat to the US outside of a nuclear confrontation or a land battle on the Russian homeland.
I would not underestimate Russia. The entire country is built on military and their technology is awesome a lot of it secret.

You don't see Russia a threat to the US? If not Russia, then who?
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The US has never been attacked??

I wonder what is in that book of yours.
Who in the history of the world attacked the US? and don't tell me terrorists attacks. thats not a full scale war.
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Funny how that works, the US has never been attacked but yet, they attacked plenty of other countries. Reminds me of some of the ancient empires that wanted power and land, so they went to war.

The US has never won a war in my book.
Because we have people like you living in this country!
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I would not underestimate Russia. The entire country is built on military and their technology is awesome a lot of it secret.

You don't see Russia a threat to the US? If not Russia, then who?
It would depend on the context. Where, when, objectives?
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Who in the history of the world attacked the US?
Japan, Bin Laden, Germany in WWI( indirectly through unrestricted submarine warfare attacking merchant vessels), and the alleged attack on the USS Maine by Spain( though it turned out that a boiler exploded), and Embassy bombings( though is that connected to Bin Laden?).
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