BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos
 
OneEighty
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      07-02-2008, 11:41 AM   #1
GreenThree
Colonel
 
GreenThree's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 e90
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Boston, MA

Posts: 2,070
iTrader: (0)

290 HP. Audi's answer to the 335?

This will be Audi's new top of the line V6. The 3.0 TFSI. Which is a supercharged V6 making 290 HP and about 310 TQ. Not sure if its US bound, or when its available, but this should prove to be some interesting competition for the e90. What do you guys think?
__________________

2013 328i Xdrive | AT | Glacier Silver | Black Leatherette | Htd Seats | Moonroof
GreenThree is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 11:43 AM   #2
hotrod2448
grand poobah
 
hotrod2448's Avatar
 
Drives: E70 X5 SG, F10 535i
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Charlotte, NC

Posts: 2,015
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 335d  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenThree View Post
This will be Audi's new top of the line V6. The 3.0 TFSI. Which is a supercharged V6 making 290 HP and about 310 TQ. Not sure if its US bound, or when its available, but this should prove to be some interesting competition for the e90. What do you guys think?
I think if that's the case it better be rated ultra super conservatively. 290HP is nothing too impressive these days. It needs to be more like 350. Unless they've managed to knock about 1500lbs off the new A4 then it might be enough.
hotrod2448 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 11:54 AM   #3
RenaultOne
First Lieutenant
 
RenaultOne's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW E90 328i Jet Black
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: LA / University of California, Berkeley.

Posts: 303
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hotrod2448 View Post
I think if that's the case it better be rated ultra super conservatively. 290HP is nothing too impressive these days. It needs to be more like 350. Unless they've managed to knock about 1500lbs off the new A4 then it might be enough.
I think the next S4 is going to have 350hp. The next gen S4 is going to have a tuned version of the new V6.
__________________
RenaultOne is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 11:54 AM   #4
DrGP
Lieutenant Colonel
 
DrGP's Avatar
 
Drives: Sapphire 335i coupe
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: SE, PA

Posts: 1,916
iTrader: (0)

Actually being an ex Audi S4 owner I still frequent the AudiWorld S4 forums. Audi is now positioning the B8 S4/S5 as the direct competitor to the 335i. S4will be supercharged V6 but 330+ HP. A4/A5 will have the 290hp and is probably pitted against the 328i. Not sure if the S5 will retain the V8 or go supercharged.
DrGP is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 12:07 PM   #5
hotrod2448
grand poobah
 
hotrod2448's Avatar
 
Drives: E70 X5 SG, F10 535i
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Charlotte, NC

Posts: 2,015
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 335d  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by RenaultOne View Post
I think the next S4 is going to have 350hp. The next gen S4 is going to have a tuned version of the new V6.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrGP View Post
Actually being an ex Audi S4 owner I still frequent the AudiWorld S4 forums. Audi is now positioning the B8 S4/S5 as the direct competitor to the 335i. S4will be supercharged V6 but 330+ HP. A4/A5 will have the 290hp and is probably pitted against the 328i. Not sure if the S5 will retain the V8 or go supercharged.
Isn't the current version S4 like 340hp already? I know the one I drove felt kind of sluggish and it cost @$8K more than my comparably equipped 335.

Doesn't seem to make much sense to me as far as being a direct competitor.
hotrod2448 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 12:11 PM   #6
John 070
Lieutenant General
 
Drives: 335i cpe
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: ZSP/ZPP/ZCW

Posts: 11,466
iTrader: (0)

I think they're soliciting us because I got a audi drive experience thing in the mail, yet when I went to register, it's all filled-up. Introduces the 2k9 A4 and will let you drive with a pro driver, also the 328xi and IS250. Scared of the 335i I suppose. Even though their even would showcase a nose-heavy essentially FWD car, I'd do it because it's free! That's probably why it's filled!
John 070 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 12:14 PM   #7
GreenThree
Colonel
 
GreenThree's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 e90
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Boston, MA

Posts: 2,070
iTrader: (0)

Guys, my point was that Audi is upping the HP from their current 255 HP offering. I was not saying that I thought 290 HP was super high.

I was saying that this is good for Audi because they will be positioning the a4 (if engine is offered for that car) in the the same HP range as the 335.

B7 s4 has 340 HP.

Not sure how 290 HP would be pitted against the 328 if it has 230?
__________________

2013 328i Xdrive | AT | Glacier Silver | Black Leatherette | Htd Seats | Moonroof
GreenThree is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 12:20 PM   #8
hotrod2448
grand poobah
 
hotrod2448's Avatar
 
Drives: E70 X5 SG, F10 535i
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Charlotte, NC

Posts: 2,015
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 335d  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenThree View Post
Guys, my point was that Audi is upping the HP from their current 255 HP offering. I was not saying that I thought 290 HP was super high.

I was saying that this is good for Audi because they will be positioning the a4 (if engine is offered for that car) in the the same HP range as the 335.

B7 s4 has 340 HP.

Not sure how 290 HP would be pitted against the 328 if it has 230?
I think we are all pretty aware that the 335 while rated at 300hp it is pretty conservatively rated. What I was getting at is since Audi's are traditionally heavier and have higher drive line losses with quattro they better be even more conservative on their rating if it is truly intended to compete with a 335.

I agree it's a step in the right direction for them though. IMO their V6 and 2.0T have always been too close to one another power wise. When the smaller engine is just a chip away from the same power with better torque and fuel economy that can't be good for the "higher" version's sales.
hotrod2448 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 12:37 PM   #9
GreenThree
Colonel
 
GreenThree's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 e90
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Boston, MA

Posts: 2,070
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hotrod2448 View Post
I think we are all pretty aware that the 335 while rated at 300hp it is pretty conservatively rated. What I was getting at is since Audi's are traditionally heavier and have higher drive line losses with quattro they better be even more conservative on their rating if it is truly intended to compete with a 335.

I agree it's a step in the right direction for them though. IMO their V6 and 2.0T have always been too close to one another power wise. When the smaller engine is just a chip away from the same power with better torque and fuel economy that can't be good for the "higher" version's sales.
Yea, I agree that it is a step in the right direction for Audi.

2.0T = 200, 3.2 = 250 Difference of 50
328 = 230, 335 = 300 Difference of 70

Since 250 HP for the 3.2 is not close to the ballpark for the 300 in the 335, it almost seems like a segment mismatch. Competition is "supposed" to be 328 vs 2.0T and 335 vs 3.2. But since the HP is lacking on Audi's end, the next car up the line that competes with the 335 is the S4. (unfortunately its like 5-10 grand more!)

My last car was an A4 2.0T, and I loved it, but Audi's gotta get their SH together in that dept.
__________________

2013 328i Xdrive | AT | Glacier Silver | Black Leatherette | Htd Seats | Moonroof
GreenThree is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 12:39 PM   #10
!Xoible
Banned
 
Drives: ....
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: .

Posts: 46,037
iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2008 M3  [3.50]
2007 335i  [4.50]
2008 528i  [4.00]
2006 Infiniti - G35 ...  [4.00]
might be worth it but audis are heavy pigs like G37's, even heavier than G37's. i have hopes for nissan to turn their VQ37VHR to pump more torque/hp. but man they all are heavy pigs
!Xoible is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 01:08 PM   #11
Big Windy
Major General
 
Big Windy's Avatar
 
Drives: audi s4
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: seatac, wa

Posts: 5,118
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by ///Mantis View Post
might be worth it but audis are heavy pigs like G37's, even heavier than G37's. i have hopes for nissan to turn their VQ37VHR to pump more torque/hp. but man they all are heavy pigs
heavy pigs 290 seems like a step in the wrong direction. if it is a 335i competitor, there is no reason audi shouldn't have topped the 300/300 of the BMW with a newer engine unless there is bigtime weight loss.
Big Windy is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 02:32 PM   #12
Greeney
Brigadier General
 
Greeney's Avatar
 
Drives: Jerez E90 M3
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Westchester, NY / Fort Lauderdale, FL

Posts: 3,806
iTrader: (4)

Send a message via AIM to Greeney Send a message via MSN to Greeney Send a message via Skype™ to Greeney
A4 2.0T - 323i
A4 3.0T - 328i
S4 - 335i
RS4 - M3
__________________
11' E90 M3 6MT | Jerez Black | Black Ext./Carbon | ZCP | ZCW | ZPP | ZTP | 302 | 403 | 507 | 5AC | 655 | 6FL | 752 |
15' F80 M3 6MT | Black Saphire | Black Full | ZEC | ZLP | 2VF | 2VZ | 5DL | 688 |
Greeney is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 02:35 PM   #13
!Xoible
Banned
 
Drives: ....
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: .

Posts: 46,037
iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2008 M3  [3.50]
2007 335i  [4.50]
2008 528i  [4.00]
2006 Infiniti - G35 ...  [4.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Windy View Post
heavy pigs 290 seems like a step in the wrong direction. if it is a 335i competitor, there is no reason audi shouldn't have topped the 300/300 of the BMW with a newer engine unless there is bigtime weight loss.
they probably thinking "oh we got more torque" lol
if they did shave weight then that would be THE right step in the right direction. fuel efficiency and weight reduction is what all cars need
!Xoible is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 03:06 PM   #14
GreenThree
Colonel
 
GreenThree's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 e90
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Boston, MA

Posts: 2,070
iTrader: (0)

Yea, Audi's are heavy no doubt. But supposedly they have repositioned the engine in the A4 so that the weight is more evenly distributed. We'll see this fall when the B8 hits stealers.
__________________

2013 328i Xdrive | AT | Glacier Silver | Black Leatherette | Htd Seats | Moonroof
GreenThree is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 03:48 PM   #15
footie
Major General
 
footie's Avatar
 
Drives: ????????????
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: BMW M3 will get a V6TT

Posts: 7,507
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 E92 M3  [0.00]
I thought the only car this engine has officially been spoke about is for the A6 and it's it that will be getting the 290hp output. The S4 is to get the same engine but no official comfirmation on this or output figures.

I would have thought that if the S4 gets this engine even no other in the A4 range will be offered it.
footie is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 04:00 PM   #16
Spool
******
 
Spool's Avatar
 
Drives: A few
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: DC Metro

Posts: 6,164
iTrader: (24)

Bring back the Bi-Turbo V6 on the B5 S4's...screw super chargers
__________________


MKIV 6spd 1000hp Club
Spool is offline   Vietnam
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 04:02 PM   #17
DrGP
Lieutenant Colonel
 
DrGP's Avatar
 
Drives: Sapphire 335i coupe
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: SE, PA

Posts: 1,916
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greeney View Post
A4 2.0T - 323i
A4 3.0T - 328i
S4 - 335i
RS4 - M3
I believe you have the comparisons correct, just don't know where the S5 fits in. BTW current S4 is rated at 340 HP and is slower than the 335i. B8 S4 will be rated around the same . Current S5 is rated at 354 HP. IMHO, the current 335i is ACTUALLY about 330 HP give or take, based on performance figures as compared to the 333 HP E46 M3
DrGP is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 04:05 PM   #18
jetblk328i
Colonel
 
jetblk328i's Avatar
 
Drives: Jet blk 328i
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: New York, NY

Posts: 2,422
iTrader: (1)

im not sure if this engine will make the A4 line...however i have heard that this will be the base engine on the Audi A6 which be AWESOME!!! the 528i and e350 will have some tough competition
__________________
07 328i, jet black/black. heated seats, auto.
Mods:Chromed Grille,Ipod,BMW All Weather Floor Mats-if you call that a mod.
Mods Coming soon:,Blacklines,Chrome Tips, OEM xenons.......
jetblk328i is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 04:47 PM   #19
HappyNDing
Private First Class
 
HappyNDing's Avatar
 
Drives: It drives me
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: E. Bay

Posts: 160
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by John 070 View Post
I think they're soliciting us because I got a audi drive experience thing in the mail, yet when I went to register, it's all filled-up. Introduces the 2k9 A4 and will let you drive with a pro driver, also the 328xi and IS250. Scared of the 335i I suppose. Even though their even would showcase a nose-heavy essentially FWD car, I'd do it because it's free! That's probably why it's filled!
I actually went to the Audi Driving Experience yesterday at the Infineon Raceway in Sonoma. I drove the new B8 A4 3.2 Quattro, 328xi, C300 4 matic and the IS250 AWD. Figures they put a 265hp A4 against the less powered competition. All in all, the new A4 looks really good inside and out and is a good size bigger than the outgoing B7 A4. Handles decently but not as good as the 328xi and I also got to drive the A4 for 5 laps around the Infineon race track. Props to Audi for allowing us to basically drive the living daylights of their cars and their competition's as well as being able to test it on a real race track. The best part is it's free and I also got a free A4 hat, although I got more goodies from Lexus when I went to their performance driving academy that featured the IS-F.
HappyNDing is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-02-2008, 07:45 PM   #20
Joe C
Colonel
 
Joe C's Avatar
 
Drives: e92 335i AKA "BaLLzZz"
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NYC

Posts: 2,157
iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spool View Post
Bring back the Bi-Turbo V6 on the B5 S4's...screw super chargers
HEHHEHE thats when i might have to walk into the audi dealers with bad intentions AHHAh or i can jus buy an b5 s4 like i plan on doing when i stop spending all my damn money on this car LOOl OOo man i want a b5 s4 so bad k04 it UgHHh heaven
__________________
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. - Albert Einstein

08 e92 n54
Joe C is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-03-2008, 07:31 AM   #21
GreenThree
Colonel
 
GreenThree's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 e90
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Boston, MA

Posts: 2,070
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyNDing View Post
I actually went to the Audi Driving Experience yesterday at the Infineon Raceway in Sonoma. I drove the new B8 A4 3.2 Quattro, 328xi, C300 4 matic and the IS250 AWD. Figures they put a 265hp A4 against the less powered competition. All in all, the new A4 looks really good inside and out and is a good size bigger than the outgoing B7 A4. Handles decently but not as good as the 328xi and I also got to drive the A4 for 5 laps around the Infineon race track. Props to Audi for allowing us to basically drive the living daylights of their cars and their competition's as well as being able to test it on a real race track. The best part is it's free and I also got a free A4 hat, although I got more goodies from Lexus when I went to their performance driving academy that featured the IS-F.
That sounds like quite the event! Did the B8 feel like it was more evenly balanced than generations past?
__________________

2013 328i Xdrive | AT | Glacier Silver | Black Leatherette | Htd Seats | Moonroof
GreenThree is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-03-2008, 08:48 AM   #22
footie
Major General
 
footie's Avatar
 
Drives: ????????????
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: BMW M3 will get a V6TT

Posts: 7,507
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 E92 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenThree View Post
That sounds like quite the event! Did the B8 feel like it was more evenly balanced than generations past?
If it performs anything like the S5 against the S4 then the answer has to be yes, but there is an underlining consistency to the way Audi's behave which is ultra safe, understeer is always present when pushed really hard but as normal it's only really seen on a track.

I think the A4 will be a great addition to the ever improving Audi line up.
footie is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:38 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST