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      07-01-2008, 10:10 AM   #23
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You're an ass. We have gone over this before. My vote is in no way for Obama, other than it doesn't seem to matter a great deal whether Obama wins or McCain wins. Either way, it is a losing situation. My vote was never intended for a Republican in this cycle. They lost me after their weak performance in 2006. They were led down that path by McCain. He is the problem. He is not the solution. And his global plan may very well be worse than one that might be held by Obama.

Perhaps you would outline the comparison between McCain and Obama for their world plan.

I do not support increasing the federal government whether it is for domestic feel-good programs, or for military projects that do not focus on national defense. Perhaps the war on terror has lost sight of this. Maybe Obama goes for more domestic government where McCain favors more global influence. Either way, it is going the wrong direction. It's time to take it back from these power elites. Voting for either of them will not help.

Voting for a third party will strengthen that third party, and perhaps be good for all third parties. This two party system is badly broken. It should be scrapped by the voters making it happen.
What part of a system where the candidate with more votes than anyone takes all the electoral votes do you not understand? Obama does not have to win a majority of the votes in any state to get their electoral votes, just one more than McCain. Any vote that does not go to McCain and instead goes to Barr or the nut job you are supporting makes Obama's job that much easier. It is a vote for Obama.

I do not understand why you blame McCain for the Republican losses in 2006. Most observers believe it was the irresponsible spending of the Republican congress that disheartened the base and led to the losses. McCain has been stalwart in his fight against pork and the Republicans would have done much better had they followed his lead.

I do not know what you mean by a "global plan." McCain has consistently advocated a foreign policy that stresses American leadership in lieu of the UN as is the common among liberal democrats. He has even proposed a League of Democracies as an alternative for multilateral action apart from the UN.

The two party system has been one of the keys to our incredible stability. It is not broken and there is no chance that you or the less than 1% of Americans who have even heard of Chuck Baldwin will have any real impact on it.

Grow up and accept that politics is about compromise and don't allow the unattainable perfect (in your mind) to get in the way of the possible good.
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Your votes dont matter any more. Neither does the paper you let them give you to work for them.
I would bet Al Gore and John Kerry disagree with the former. I am also sure that BMWNA disagrees with the latter since they accept that paper in return for the wonderful car they made me.
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What part of a system where the candidate with more votes than anyone takes all the electoral votes do you not understand? Obama does not have to win a majority of the votes in any state to get their electoral votes, just one more than McCain. Any vote that does not go to McCain and instead goes to Barr or the nut job you are supporting makes Obama's job that much easier. It is a vote for Obama.

I do not understand why you blame McCain for the Republican losses in 2006. Most observers believe it was the irresponsible spending of the Republican congress that disheartened the base and led to the losses. McCain has been stalwart in his fight against pork and the Republicans would have done much better had they followed his lead.

I do not know what you mean by a "global plan." McCain has consistently advocated a foreign policy that stresses American leadership in lieu of the UN as is the common among liberal democrats. He has even proposed a League of Democracies as an alternative for multilateral action apart from the UN.

The two party system has been one of the keys to our incredible stability. It is not broken and there is no chance that you or the less than 1% of Americans who have even heard of Chuck Baldwin will have any real impact on it.

Grow up and accept that politics is about compromise and don't allow the unattainable perfect (in your mind) to get in the way of the possible good.
Again, I say you're an ass. The only way my vote would go to McCain would be in the event of a VP pick that would inspire and the hope of McCain's "retirement" while in office. I don't like McCain any better than Obama. McCain's an angry old Panamanchurian candidate. Some of the objectionable features of these two candidates are in different areas. They are both too far left.

If the Republican party cannot shake off it's leftist tendencies, then more voters from the right will abandon them for the the party of compromise they are.

If you don't understand the rest, well, I don't feel like explaining it to you right now. Maybe someone else would like to hold your hand.

Your arrogance and unending promotion of the military industrial complex and the new global order result in no confidence in your advice.
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I would bet Al Gore and John Kerry disagree with the former. I am also sure that BMWNA disagrees with the latter since they accept that paper in return for the wonderful car they made me.
Al Gore won the 2004 election, the supreme court appointed bush. The Deibold is not a flawless system. Since 1913 we have let banks hand us paper they guarentee is worth something, before then you could go cash in your money for the money behind it (gold), but we let them take all of that and give up paper for it. Greatest robbery in history.


The really funny thing is there is no law that requires you to pay income tax or make a 1040 (There is one for cooperate income tax) the supreme court has even decided it is unconstitutional (Direct and unapportioned). Yet we still pay it, but where does it go? Highways, no that's from the gas tax, wait what about the millitary, nope cooperate income tax. So where does 30-40% of all americans pay checks go? The majority of it goes to pay off the Fed (Which is privately owned) at a rate of 3.5% for every dollar loaned and 2% for every dollar produced. The banks are sucking us dry, and we owe them 10 trillion dollars, that's 30k per american plus interest.


Before 1913 congress made the money, there was no income tax, and the dollar never changed value. Good luck finding out who really owns the fed, no one really knows, it was established during the christmas holiday, and snuck through the system, the 12 sub banks are owned individually also, they decide on 6 out of 9 board of governors. Whoever owns the NY bank owns the system, they all follow suit. It's a mix of Citigroup JP Morgan, Bear Sterns, some Rockefeller company, Chase, etc.
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Again, I say you're an ass. The only way my vote would go to McCain would be in the event of a VP pick that would inspire and the hope of McCain's "retirement" while in office. I don't like McCain any better than Obama. McCain's an angry old Panamanchurian candidate. Some of the objectionable features of these two candidates are in different areas. They are both too far left.

If the Republican party cannot shake off it's leftist tendencies, then more voters from the right will abandon them for the the party of compromise they are.

If you don't understand the rest, well, I don't feel like explaining it to you right now. Maybe someone else would like to hold your hand.

Your arrogance and unending promotion of the military industrial complex and the new global order result in no confidence in your advice.
I understand based on previous posts that you do not have an appreciation for the intellectual/philosophical foundation of political ideologies, whether it be Anglo-American conservatism, modern progressivism/liberalism, or libertarianism. What then is your yard stick to measure who or what is "too far left?"

What is the ideal? What is your basis for determining that ideal?

What are the alleged "leftist tendencies" of the current Republican party? What is your basis for such a determination?

You seem to use terms that you hear but cannot explain or simply do not understand; military industrial complex and new global order for example.
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Al Gore won the 2004 election, the supreme court appointed bush. The Deibold is not a flawless system. Since 1913 we have let banks hand us paper they guarentee is worth something, before then you could go cash in your money for the money behind it (gold), but we let them take all of that and give up paper for it. Greatest robbery in history.


The really funny thing is there is no law that requires you to pay income tax or make a 1040 (There is one for cooperate income tax) the supreme court has even decided it is unconstitutional (Direct and unapportioned). Yet we still pay it, but where does it go? Highways, no that's from the gas tax, wait what about the millitary, nope cooperate income tax. So where does 30-40% of all americans pay checks go? The majority of it goes to pay off the Fed (Which is privately owned) at a rate of 3.5% for every dollar loaned and 2% for every dollar produced. The banks are sucking us dry, and we owe them 10 trillion dollars, that's 30k per american plus interest.


Before 1913 congress made the money, there was no income tax, and the dollar never changed value. Good luck finding out who really owns the fed, no one really knows, it was established during the christmas holiday, and snuck through the system, the 12 sub banks are owned individually also, they decide on 6 out of 9 board of governors. Whoever owns the NY bank owns the system, they all follow suit. It's a mix of Citigroup JP Morgan, Bear Sterns, some Rockefeller company, Chase, etc.
Al Gore lost the 2000 election because he lost the popular vote in the State of Florida.

There are enough real dangers in this world without making up new ones.

Seek help.
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Al Gore lost the 2000 election because he lost the popular vote in the State of Florida.

There are enough real dangers in this world without making up new ones.

Seek help.
You are so dumb man, terrorism is a joke.

Wake up please man, please. We need your help. http://video.google.com/videosearch?...arch=&start=80
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I understand based on previous posts that you do not have an appreciation for the intellectual/philosophical foundation of political ideologies, whether it be Anglo-American conservatism, modern progressivism/liberalism, or libertarianism. What then is your yard stick to measure who or what is "too far left?"

What is the ideal? What is your basis for determining that ideal?

What are the alleged "leftist tendencies" of the current Republican party? What is your basis for such a determination?

You seem to use terms that you hear but cannot explain or simply do not understand; military industrial complex and new global order for example.
I don't subscribe to any one intellectual/philosophical school of government philosophy. What is yours? Maybe you could just point to it and then we would know exactly what you think. Then when we want your opinion, we would only need to look it up in reference material and not hear you at all.

The political views I support today are not in perfect alignment with any political philosophy or representation. I will support ideas that I like, and reject those that I don't. My viewpoint is not cut from stone. My ideas may change with time and with information. I do not consider myself to be all knowing and all seeing. You appear to feel about yourself that you are all knowing and all seeing.

I could put together a list of McCain's (and the Republican party's) left leaning words and acts for you if I cared. But I don't care enough about your opinion to do that for you now. How come you haven't put together a list of how McCain and Obama vary on issues? Lazy?

And though I lean to the right, I am not on the "right" of all issues. Politics is complex, as are candidates. The GOP and the DNC seem increasingly to be cast from the same mold.
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You are so dumb man, terrorism is a joke.
The families of the 2,998 who were killed on Sept. 11, 2001 disagree.

You are a sick man. Get help.
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The families of the 2,998 who were killed on Sept. 11, 2001 disagree.

You are a sick man. Get help.
Wow... Dude seriously you are going to get owned, and I'm almost excited about it.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...arch=&start=80


"They will be looking in caves for a man they will never find"
Nicholas Rockefeller...

Terrorism is the ultimate enemy, maybe you should read a few books. Learn some philosophy, heck learn about socialism, because that's where its headed. All because of those two towers you and the other 87% have gone weak at the knees.


WE WERE WARNED ABOUT IT FROM ALL ANGLES, NORAD SAT DOWN, CHENEY WAS WITH THE PAKISTANI GENERAL WHO PAID THE HIJACKER ON THE DAY OF THE ATTACK.

WAKE THE FUCK UP NO TOWEL HEAD CAN MAKE NORAD STAND DOWN. THEY WERE 100% BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11, ON THE 11th THEY WERE SO FALSE FLAG IT WAS LUDICROUS.

THE GOD DAMN BOMB FOR THE OK CITY BOMBING WAS MADE BY THE FBI, WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS. HITLER WAS KING OF THEM, IT IS THE ONE WAY TO GAIN TOTAL CONTROL OVER A PEOPLE AND IT HAS DONE JUST THAT REGARDLESS OF WHO DID IT.

STOP BEING IGNORANT. BUSH AND CHENEY TOOK THE 911 COMMISSION AS A JOKE AND THE REPORT WAS WRITTEN BY CONDI'S FRIEND. IT FUCKING CLAIMS FIRE TOOK DOWN 3 STEAL BUILDINGS.


GET MAD.
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I don't subscribe to any one intellectual/philosophical school of government philosophy. What is yours? Maybe you could just point to it and then we would know exactly what you think. Then when we want your opinion, we would only need to look it up in reference material and not hear you at all.

The political views I support today are not in perfect alignment with any political philosophy or representation. I will support ideas that I like, and reject those that I don't. My viewpoint is not cut from stone. My ideas may change with time and with information. I do not consider myself to be all knowing and all seeing. You appear to feel about yourself that you are all knowing and all seeing.

I could put together a list of McCain's (and the Republican party's) left leaning words and acts for you if I cared. But I don't care enough about your opinion to do that for you now. How come you haven't put together a list of how McCain and Obama vary on issues? Lazy?

And though I lean to the right, I am not on the "right" of all issues. Politics is complex, as are candidates. The GOP and the DNC seem increasingly to be cast from the same mold.
I am a conservative in the Anglo-American tradition. A philosophy of governance built on three intellectual legs; the free market of Adam Smith, the natural law theory of individual liberty of John Locke, and a proper respect for custom and tradition a la Edmund Burke.

Because you cannot express your political philosophy it does not surprise me that you have a difficult time making political decisions or need others to lay things out for you.

I would only ask that you refrain from attempting to describe things as left or right until you get a clue as to what those terms properly represent.
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Wow... Dude seriously you are going to get owned, and I'm almost excited about it.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...arch=&start=80


"They will be looking in caves for a man they will never find"
Nicholas Rockefeller...

Terrorism is the ultimate enemy, maybe you should read a few books. Learn some philosophy, heck learn about socialism, because that's where its headed. All because of those two towers you and the other 87% have gone weak at the knees.


WE WERE WARNED ABOUT IT FROM ALL ANGLES, NORAD SAT DOWN, CHENEY WAS WITH THE PAKISTANI GENERAL WHO PAID THE HIJACKER ON THE DAY OF THE ATTACK.

...
Congrats, you are now joining the ranks of dr325i and e90im as too irrational to deal with. Get help before your delusions get the better of you.
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Congrats, you are now joining the ranks of dr325i and e90im as too irrational to deal with. Get help before your delusions get the better of you.
Bye bye to this great republic
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Bye bye to this great republic
one by one...just like his idol...
First he used fear, many backed him up because that fear...
Now, everyone (but ~25% of americans) wants him to get punished and isolate themselves away from him...

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You seem to use terms that you hear but cannot explain or simply do not understand; military industrial complex and new global order for example.
I'll tell you what. Rather than use the term military industrial complex, I'll tell you what I mean.

You appear to support everything that goes into building the military beyond it's current capacity. That would include public funding for military equipment and personnel. That includes promotion of businesses that provide military equipment and support. That includes civil service to support the military. That includes private contractors that work in concert with the military. That includes military bases. Do you need more detail?

I suggest to you that the military serves a great purpose. We need to defend the states from foreign invaders. Not nearly enough effort or commitment has gone into securing our own borders. Our forces are spread throughout the world and would seem to be in places where they do not serve the purpose of defending the states. You seem to press for this continuing and escalating (as does McCain). I would rather see a contraction and the focus to turn to defense.

As for the new global order... Ask McCain. He wrote about it in "An Enduring Peace Built On Freedom". I have more questions about his plans, than answers. What I can discern from his writings is a vision I don't care to see. The U.S. does not need to do what McCain wants to do. I suggest that the U.S. cannot possibly succeed at doing what McCain has layed out in the "new global order". (FYI: new global order is his words.)

Again, give YOUR list of items comparing McCain to Obama so that a person can examine the list and say, "I agree with you on these things" or "I disagree with you on these thing".

So often your posts say a lot of nothing other than to accuse others of being wrong about the candidate they support and providing no persuasive argument. Maybe I come across that way as well, but I thought you might need to see this comment.
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I am a conservative in the Anglo-American tradition. A philosophy of governance built on three intellectual legs; the free market of Adam Smith, the natural law theory of individual liberty of John Locke, and a proper respect for custom and tradition a la Edmund Burke.

Because you cannot express your political philosophy it does not surprise me that you have a difficult time making political decisions or need others to lay things out for you.

I would only ask that you refrain from attempting to describe things as left or right until you get a clue as to what those terms properly represent.
Screw you. I'll call you leftist if I want to. I'll call you a piece of crap if I want to. If you want to provide precise definitions of the terms left and right as it relates to politics, then go for it, buddy. Your definition will fall flat from the start because some things are not definable in a way that all can agree to their meaning. Referring to left or right is simply an abbreviation for something that would take more words that I would care to write in a particular sentence. And maybe it is too much of an assumption to expect people like you to know what is meant by that single word in context.

Why don't you just write what you like about your philosophers rather than being such an ass?
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I'll tell you what. Rather than use the term military industrial complex, I'll tell you what I mean.

You appear to support everything that goes into building the military beyond it's current capacity. That would include public funding for military equipment and personnel. That includes promotion of businesses that provide military equipment and support. That includes civil service to support the military. That includes private contractors that work in concert with the military. That includes military bases. Do you need more detail?

I suggest to you that the military serves a great purpose. We need to defend the states from foreign invaders. Not nearly enough effort or commitment has gone into securing our own borders. Our forces are spread throughout the world and would seem to be in places where they do not serve the purpose of defending the states. You seem to press for this continuing and escalating (as does McCain). I would rather see a contraction and the focus to turn to defense.

As for the new global order... Ask McCain. He wrote about it in "An Enduring Peace Built On Freedom". I have more questions about his plans, than answers. What I can discern from his writings is a vision I don't care to see. The U.S. does not need to do what McCain wants to do. I suggest that the U.S. cannot possibly succeed at doing what McCain has layed out in the "new global order". (FYI: new global order is his words.)

Again, give YOUR list of items comparing McCain to Obama so that a person can examine the list and say, "I agree with you on these things" or "I disagree with you on these thing".

So often your posts say a lot of nothing other than to accuse others of being wrong about the candidate they support and providing no persuasive argument. Maybe I come across that way as well, but I thought you might need to see this comment.
I believe the armed forces of the United States exist to defend our national interests. They should be funded and supported to the level necessary to accomplish the missions that the elected representatives of the American people have tasked to them. Given that the federal government is explicitly charged with raising an army and sustaining a navy, I would say that doing such is an appropriate allocation of public funds.

If our elected representatives believe that it is a proper and efficient use of our armed forces to prevent would be dishwashers and landscapers from crossing the border to make their lives better, then I would support the funding necessary for them to accomplish that mission as well. Though I would oppose assigning them that task.

I read nothing in the speech you reference that I would disagree with. I believe the current world order does not function in a manner that is in the best interest of the American people. I believe the UN as currently configured is a hindrance to peace and prosperity and that McCain's proposed League of Democracies may work better. I sure do not see some sinister connotation in the phrase "new global order."

I am not undecided on who I support in this election so I see no reason to put together the list you are looking for. On the three issues I find most important in this election; the war, the courts, and taxes, the differences between the candidates is clear and I believe McCain is on the correct side.

If I have to accept policy positions on secondary and tertiary issues that I disagree with in a McCain presidency, so be it. I will never agree with any candidate 100% of the time but I am not naive enough to believe that casting my vote for a candidate with no chance of victory will do anything other than help the major party candidate I least want to see in office.
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Screw you. I'll call you leftist if I want to. I'll call you a piece of crap if I want to. If you want to provide precise definitions of the terms left and right as it relates to politics, then go for it, buddy. Your definition will fall flat from the start because some things are not definable in a way that all can agree to their meaning. Referring to left or right is simply an abbreviation for something that would take more words that I would care to write in a particular sentence. And maybe it is too much of an assumption to expect people like you to know what is meant by that single word in context.

Why don't you just write what you like about your philosophers rather than being such an ass?
Call me a leftist all you want. Since you have no clue what the term means you may as well be calling me an asparagus.

You seem to want to discuss politics but don't want to be educated about it. I have told you where I stand. I look at contemporary issues through the prism of the philosophies I mentioned and decide which side I will come down on. You do not seem to be able to do the same or even wish to be able to.
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Screw you. I'll call you leftist if I want to. I'll call you a piece of crap if I want to. If you want to provide precise definitions of the terms left and right as it relates to politics, then go for it, buddy. Your definition will fall flat from the start because some things are not definable in a way that all can agree to their meaning. Referring to left or right is simply an abbreviation for something that would take more words that I would care to write in a particular sentence. And maybe it is too much of an assumption to expect people like you to know what is meant by that single word in context.

Why don't you just write what you like about your philosophers rather than being such an ass?
Ah, Scotty, Scotty, didn't you realize there is only ONE way to be educated about the politics here -- Ganeil way. Does not matter that 6+ Billion people have different "education"...
Don't give up...

I'm starting to believe that Ganeil and Scotty are not the same person...
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I believe the armed forces of the United States exist to defend our national interests. They should be funded and supported to the level necessary to accomplish the missions that the elected representatives of the American people have tasked to them. Given that the federal government is explicitly charged with raising an army and sustaining a navy, I would say that doing such is an appropriate allocation of public funds.
What national interests would that include? There are a lot of national interests. Who decides what the military should pursue? It seems to me that the congress has the sole authority to declare war. We need to return to the idea that we don’t go to war without declaring war. The U.S. military needs to go to war only when war is declared or for immediate self-defense to preserve life and property.

The objection that I rose about public funding of the military was in regard to it’s continuing to increase in order to build “the military beyond it’s current capacity” as every point in that paragraph was dependent on the first. If it wasn’t clear in my original paragraph, I hope it is now. Providing for the common defense is one of the few things that the federal government is responsible for doing, but in the order of fairness, the constitution does say that the U.S. is not to maintain a standing army (I am paraphrasing). This does not mean that I would want to dismantle the Army. It does mean that continuing to expand the military is not in a reasonable plan so that a president can serve the interest of his constituents.

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If our elected representatives believe that it is a proper and efficient use of our armed forces to prevent would be dishwashers and landscapers from crossing the border to make their lives better, then I would support the funding necessary for them to accomplish that mission as well. Though I would oppose assigning them that task.
It may not be appropriate for the military to be used for such border security. This is part of the point. Money that should go to border security is going instead to military that doesn’t fulfill the primary purpose of protecting our nation from foreign invaders (even when they are individuals coming to work in the fields/restaurants/swinging a hammer/digging a ditch). I would hope there are ways to protect the borders and to allow larger numbers of legal immigrants to enter the U.S. Most important is keeping out illegal aliens.

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I read nothing in the speech you reference that I would disagree with. I believe the current world order does not function in a manner that is in the best interest of the American people. I believe the UN as currently configured is a hindrance to peace and prosperity and that McCain's proposed League of Democracies may work better. I sure do not see some sinister connotation in the phrase "new global order."
That wasn’t a speech. And in addition to the League of Democracies, he wrote of at least two other organizations he would form. And his idea of making a free trade area of the entire Middle East is stupid. McCain seems to think that he can take on all these new organizations and exert such influence on the new global order to serve his ideals. It is unrealistic (that is a nice way to say it).

There are many questions and objections to his described plans that I just don’t care to revisit right here and now.

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I am not undecided on who I support in this election so I see no reason to put together the list you are looking for. On the three issues I find most important in this election; the war, the courts, and taxes, the differences between the candidates is clear and I believe McCain is on the correct side.
I am not undecided on who I support. I’ll deal with issues that I take an interest in discussing at the moment. If I were to list three items, likely they would be:
  • Amend the constitution to clarify that the right to life includes babies and the unborn.
  • Replace the federal income tax on business and individuals with something else (perhaps the fair tax).
  • Secure the nation’s borders and then rework immigration policy.
Really, it is insufficient to list off three bullet points. Many things are also intertwined and listed individually does not work very well.

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If I have to accept policy positions on secondary and tertiary issues that I disagree with in a McCain presidency, so be it. I will never agree with any candidate 100% of the time but I am not naive enough to believe that casting my vote for a candidate with no chance of victory will do anything other than help the major party candidate I least want to see in office.
Ditto on the first sentence. Some candidates are too far away to be able to stand with them. The two major parties suck. It’s time for something new/old that is a better fit. It looks like the Democrats are well on their way to transformation into blatant socialism. The Republicans are well on their way to becoming democrats under the Republican banner. Another party appears to be the only alternative in 2008.
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Ah, Scotty, Scotty, didn't you realize there is only ONE way to be educated about the politics here -- Ganeil way. Does not matter that 6+ Billion people have different "education"...
Don't give up...

I'm starting to believe that Ganeil and Scotty are not the same person...
I don't see how anyone could think that Ganeil and I would be the same person.

I don't claim to be educated in politics. It doesn't take a lot of "education" to see that something is broken.

If the engine doesn't start on the car, or the car doesn't accelerate at all as it used to, etc., then it needs to be fixed. I don't have to understand how BMW designed this car and built it to know that it needs fixing. Experience can help to recognize the symptoms and provide some idea of the solution. I don't need to read all the specs and shop manuals to decide whether to have a mechanic have a look at it. I can determine from reputation and perceptions where I want to have service performed. Maybe it will be the wrong decision, but it is MY decision.

Generally I don't care for analogies, but in a car forum, this seemed appropriate.
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I don't see how anyone could think that Ganeil and I would be the same person.

I don't claim to be educated in politics. It doesn't take a lot of "education" to see that something is broken.

If the engine doesn't start on the car, or the car doesn't accelerate at all as it used to, etc., then it needs to be fixed. I don't have to understand how BMW designed this car and built it to know that it needs fixing. Experience can help to recognize the symptoms and provide some idea of the solution. I don't need to read all the specs and shop manuals to decide whether to have a mechanic have a look at it. I can determine from reputation and perceptions where I want to have service performed. Maybe it will be the wrong decision, but it is MY decision.

Generally I don't care for analogies, but in a car forum, this seemed appropriate.
Hey, how could 1/2 of the forum belive you were one of those two girls...

Anyway, Ganeil does not believe something is broken, that is the problem.
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