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      06-23-2008, 10:04 PM   #23
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      06-24-2008, 02:57 AM   #24
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Im shocked. Are we supposed to believe that someone in a car with similar bhp and weight did a better job of a standing start than an M3 owner? Oh come on, it's well known that anyone with an M3 will beat any car with similar or less power to weight ratios. M3 drivers are the bestest, everyone knows that.

Pardon? Whats that? You think maybe, just maybe the M3 driver was driving a car that has similar performance figures as the RS4 so they should be neck and neck but he screwed it up? Dont be daft, he's an M3 driver, ergo, godlike!
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Well said Leg,

People have get pass their own narrow mindedness and see that there is other brands out there which are equally as capable. I think BMW USA has one hell of a propaganda campaign going on which has brain washed the BMW buying American public.
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Here I will end the debate. Not with stupid street racing, quit doing this people.

The M3 is faster, period.



Two races from roll and standing. (Races start about 1:20 in the video) Stock cars, two guys in each car.

Race two from standing, RS4 gets a huge jump, but the M3 runs her down easily.


I love the RS4, an awesome car. You have to take into account, it has been out awhile. A new RS4 is on the way.
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In one example the RS4 is quicker and in another the M3, all cars are difference and thus different result will occur each time. Point is that each is as capable as the other.

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Autocar tested both and up to 150mph the difference between them was only 0.2s.
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      06-24-2008, 10:28 AM   #28
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Im shocked. Are we supposed to believe that someone in a car with similar bhp and weight did a better job of a standing start than an M3 owner? Oh come on, it's well known that anyone with an M3 will beat any car with similar or less power to weight ratios. M3 drivers are the bestest, everyone knows that.

Pardon? Whats that? You think maybe, just maybe the M3 driver was driving a car that has similar performance figures as the RS4 so they should be neck and neck but he screwed it up? Dont be daft, he's an M3 driver, ergo, godlike!
My cousin owns a B7 RS4 and I have driven it many times. I think my viewpoint is more legitimate than most people here who have never driven the car. Performance-wise, it never impressed me.

In order to step out of this "narrow-mindedness", I would suggest heading over to the Audi forums where you will see that even Audi fans are unhappy with the RS4.

The RS4 vs. M3 debate is getting old.

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      06-24-2008, 11:47 AM   #29
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Audi has nothing on BMW. Had an 01 S4 and 01 330i at the same time. 330i was always more fun to drive

2 weeks ago took an R8 on a test drive, did not blow me away. When I pulled out of the lot in my M3 I knew that I could not have bought a better car for the money.
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Whatever the case is, Ive been more than impressed by RS4s, so it certainly is a worthy opponent.
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I dont understand you guys? The video shows proof that the Rs4 did take the M3 from the dig, it has AWD like I said before. Their are plenty off mods you can do to an RS4 thats a joke



If you guys are going by stats and if you put the same driver in both cars, its obvious the M3 will win hands down, but that doesnt mean the RS4 is a bad car or it doesnt have good performance.

Im almost 19, and I can tell racing doesnt mean anything. The the real race and winner is on the track, where you can take the car to the limits and really see who's a better driver. The stats you guys see all over on the internet or magazines and even on TV, its all done by "Professional drivers." HALF the stuff they do to push the car to its limits we cant do half of that, they spent hours killing the car to get 4.3 seconds 0-60 for an M3 and the same with the RS4.

I highly doubt the people in this thread have much experiences as those drivers in those magazines. Going to the track once or twice doesnt give anyone the right to say this car is better then that car.
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I dont understand you guys? The video shows proof that the Rs4 did take the M3 from the dig, it has AWD like I said before. Their are plenty off mods you can do to an RS4 thats a joke



If you guys are going by stats and if you put the same driver in both cars, its obvious the M3 will win hands down, but that doesnt mean the RS4 is a bad car or it doesnt have good performance.

Im almost 19, and I can tell racing doesnt mean anything. The the real race and winner is on the track, where you can take the car to the limits and really see who's a better driver. The stats you guys see all over on the internet or magazines and even on TV, its all done by "Professional drivers." HALF the stuff they do to push the car to its limits we cant do half of that, they spent hours killing the car to get 4.3 seconds 0-60 for an M3 and the same with the RS4.

I highly doubt the people in this thread have much experiences as those drivers in those magazines. Going to the track once or twice doesnt give anyone the right to say this car is better then that car.
Good job showing a video of a supercharged rs4, their is one of those!!! custom made supercharger. show us 2 more mods besides from an exhaust which this car clearly doesn't have.
This race is not about going around a track but which is faster straight line and the rs4 wins both times. from the dg they left even and the rs4 raped him and from the roll no one left before the third honk so no one had a unfair advantage.
But if you want to go to the track I will gaurantee you, that rs4 combined with the driver inside, would be able to take anyone you car throw at him in a stock e92 m3 on the track.
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Good job showing a video of a supercharged rs4, their is one of those!!! custom made supercharger. show us 2 more mods besides from an exhaust which this car clearly doesn't have.
Well I will gaurantee you, that rs4 combined with the driver inside, would be able to take anyone you car throw at him in a stock e92 m3 on the track.
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Well I will gaurantee you, that rs4 combined with the driver inside, would be able to take anyone you car throw at him in a stock e92 m3 on the track.
I would not totally agree with that statement, on the track the advantage of awd, especially on a road car becomes much less if at all. Where run-off areas and gravel traps provide a safety net the drive can push that little bit harder than on the road and in this situation I would reckon the M3 would win by a gap of 0.5~0.75s per minute.

On the road my guess is things will reverse as awd not only gives extra traction out of the corner, especially at less than 9/10th (the point when awd chassis usually understeer) but they do give the driver added confidence to push a little harder than most rwd cars as it's easier to deal with understeer than it is with oversteer.

So basically what I am saying is I agree with on when it's on a public road but disagree when it's on a track.
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Basically what I am trying to say is that the M3 driver sucked A$$ You see that's what happens when you send a Boy to do a Man's Job Next time get a real man behind the wheel so he can kick the RS4 A$$ and show the Boy how it is done. Speaking of the boy he might as well just do us all a favor

All wheel drive man.. You can see the M3 spun its wheels and the RS4 shoot out... No matter who is driving this will happen..
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The M3 driver did not get off to a good start at all in the second video.
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Either way the M3 looks cooler
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I would not totally agree with that statement, on the track the advantage of awd, especially on a road car becomes much less if at all. Where run-off areas and gravel traps provide a safety net the drive can push that little bit harder than on the road and in this situation I would reckon the M3 would win by a gap of 0.5~0.75s per minute.

On the road my guess is things will reverse as awd not only gives extra traction out of the corner, especially at less than 9/10th (the point when awd chassis usually understeer) but they do give the driver added confidence to push a little harder than most rwd cars as it's easier to deal with understeer than it is with oversteer.

So basically what I am saying is I agree with on when it's on a public road but disagree when it's on a track.
Okay the last bit of what your saying I agree with assuming it is the average driver. But not that man in the rs4 street or track he will pick a rwd car but given the scenario at hand. Him in the rs4 vs anyone you can put in a m3 from this forum or anyone any of you know he will win hands down, not fractions of a second or one or two seconds but by a lot more. Now if you put him vs a professional race car driver in a stock e92 m3 then it will be a good race but I'll still put my money on the rs4.
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OMG! The M3 lost a race to a direct competitor? Impossible! No way!

M3 owners, pull your head out of your fat ass.

I can hardly wait to see most M3 owners running 13.0 sec on average at the track.
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most m3 drivers are already running high 12's and into the 13's at the track, its sad. car mod in need of some driver mod. m3 makes you a top notch race, didnt you know?
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most m3 drivers are already running high 12's and into the 13's at the track, its sad. car mod in need of some driver mod. m3 makes you a top notch race, didnt you know?
first off the M3 should go mid 12's easily and those are only the people who post their results, I can only imagine how many m3 drivers go to the track and are too embarrassed to post up their times because they are in the high 13's and 14's.
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Either way the M3 looks cooler
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Well said Leg,

People have get pass their own narrow mindedness and see that there is other brands out there which are equally as capable. I think BMW USA has one hell of a propaganda campaign going on which has brain washed the BMW buying American public.
Exactly! I get so tired of how nave people are with bimmers. I love bimmers, but furthermore I love cars - why hate on the competition? It's the competition that has made all of these cars become so great...

Either way, if people are worried about who's fastest from light to light, get a C63.
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first off the M3 should go mid 12's easily and those are only the people who post their results, I can only imagine how many m3 drivers go to the track and are too embarrassed to post up their times because they are in the high 13's and 14's.
+1

I've seen E60 M5's running 13.0 @ 111mph at the dragstrip 5-6 times in a row. They simply couldn't do any better at my track.

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