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      06-02-2008, 09:22 PM   #23
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i have no money left after paying my taxes!
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while i don't know much about your family, i would bet that if your kids are smart, they'll do awesome in everything regardless of your worries. i grew up really poor and i did not let my circumstances at the time affect my ambition. hence, i believe in our free market system and believe that it rewards people that work hard. i cannot stand lazy people sitting there waiting for a welfare check and bitch about how rich other people are. do you really want to talk about living in poverty? i can write a book about it.
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so what exactly do you think we should do? pls tell us exactly what you are thinking instead of being so negative all the time..that would be awesome
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so tell me more about the beggars in boca. are they disabled or can they walk up to you and beg? why aren't they trying to get a job.
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while i don't know much about your family, i would bet that if your kids are smart, they'll do awesome in everything regardless of your worries. i grew up really poor and i did not let my circumstances at the time affect my ambition. hence, i believe in our free market system and believe that it rewards people that work hard. i cannot stand lazy people sitting there waiting for a welfare check and bitch about how rich other people are. do you really want to talk about living in poverty? i can write a book about it.
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ha, are you saying that some small city in ten. has the same amount of money as boca. get real! since you're claiming that you're rich, can you write me a check. i am desperately in need of it to make my car payment.. please..
Please point me where I claimed I were rich!
Stop this BS, it is not even funny how dumb you make yourself look on this board...
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while i don't know much about your family, i would bet that if your kids are smart, they'll do awesome in everything regardless of your worries. i grew up really poor and i did not let my circumstances at the time affect my ambition. hence, i believe in our free market system and believe that it rewards people that work hard. i cannot stand lazy people sitting there waiting for a welfare check and bitch about how rich other people are. do you really want to talk about living in poverty? i can write a book about it.
Lets write it together...
I came to this country at the age of 19, after serving a compulsory military service in Yugoslavia that just started falling apart. I ran away from the madness, alone, with $2k in my underwear, barely speaking English, ith all of my family left behind.
The life was struggle from there on, but I was never on wellfare or ever got anyone's help...
First time I saw my (homeland) friends again was 8 years later...
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i congratulate you for your success. when time permits,we'll write a book that is better than Obama's book and more profitable. Lol, so why are you trying to sell out the country that gave you everything? how can you bitch about free market and capitalism in the U.S after seeing what socialism/communism did to your prior country. Please explain that to the rest of us!!!!!
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Please point me where I claimed I were rich!
Stop this BS, it is not even funny how dumb you make yourself look on this board...
Dr 325:"I am not necessarily complaining about my lifestyle in particular, but overall -- the people I know, the average American... And seeing the trend in the last 8 years, I am coincerned about the future of my kids (if things dont take a sharp tur around...ASAP)!

That is the diference between me and some extreme "conservatives" here -- all they care is about their money and themselves, but then act as some big ass patriots by supporting Bush's crazy ideas..."


So you have money and you don't care about it. You live in Boca Raton! Poor you're not!
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Please point me where I claimed I were rich!
Stop this BS, it is not even funny how dumb you make yourself look on this board...
Why are you being so negative and thinking that everyone is dumb? You are a jackass! Oh Dr. 325, your IQ is so high that the rest of us are just a bunch of monkeys to you..

So with your super IQ, please tell us how America should be and how we all should live our lives.

Damn, i better call and bitch at Mensa for giving me a bad IQ exam.
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Dr 325:"I am not necessarily complaining about my lifestyle in particular, but overall -- the people I know, the average American... And seeing the trend in the last 8 years, I am coincerned about the future of my kids (if things dont take a sharp tur around...ASAP)!

That is the diference between me and some extreme "conservatives" here -- all they care is about their money and themselves, but then act as some big ass patriots by supporting Bush's crazy ideas..."


So you have money and you don't care about it. You live in Boca Raton! Poor you're not!
Again -- it says that I am not complaining about my situation...
What you draw from there is up to you.
I am not poor, and I work hard to keep my family in the middle class range, but the Gov't is working against those goals for 8 years now...
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In 2006, the median income in boca was $66k versus the nation's median income of $48k. That seems low for boca considering the concentration of wealth in the city. so please be considerate before you start complaining about about your standard of living is deteriorating daily.
I believe he's thinking of others. Maybe you should try it? Or can't rich people be concerned about poor people? Does that make you self-conscious, that you should be thinking about the poor more?

I am also very concerned about the suffering of others.

My dad used the derogatory term 'limousine liberal' to refer to all such people, but it's just a negative, pejorative term used for all wealthy people who actually give a shit about others, by people who don't.
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I believe he's thinking of others. Maybe you should try it? Or can't rich people be concerned about poor people? Does that make you self-conscious, that you should be thinking about the poor more?

I am also very concerned about the suffering of others.

My dad used the derogatory term 'limousine liberal' to refer to all such people, but it's just a negative, pejorative term used for all wealthy people who actually give a shit about others, by people who don't.
I can't speak for your dad but when I use the term "limousine liberal," it does not refer to those who actually care about others but those who like others to think they care about others. They want rules that apply to everyone but themselves.

When I think of a "limousine liberal" I think of people who advocate for higher taxes but keep their own money sheltered. Refuse to support school choice while sending their kids to exclusive private schools. Refuse to allow us to drill for oil and want us to rely on alternative sources of energy but refuse to allow a wind farm off the coast of their summer house.

In other words, their actions do not match their rhetoric.
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i congratulate you for your success. when time permits,we'll write a book that is better than Obama's book and more profitable. Lol, so why are you trying to sell out the country that gave you everything? how can you bitch about free market and capitalism in the U.S after seeing what socialism/communism did to your prior country. Please explain that to the rest of us!!!!!
This country did not GIVE me everything -- I took what I could. Just like all of those opportunities were open to the others, including yourself. But, just like in any pure and cruel capitalist society, it can all disappear overnight. And some may argue that it is OK, some (like me) would rather have more of "humane" society where other than material values are important -- hence, a little more tax taken for me that goes to fix our schools and healthcare and public transportation would be great. I would cut back on some things and adjust, but many others would benefit from the programs...

Some that oppose this view immediately call it Socialism or Communism without even understanding the meaning of the words...

I think this Administration was very successful in side-tracking us from the really important and real life issues with this unjust war, the whole terrorism deal and with the fear injected among the masses. By the time we (majority of the US population) realized that there are other important things in our lives, our standard of living is nowhere close to where it was 10 or 15 years ago, the prices are out of control, the spending is out of control, the unemployment is growing, people lose their homes every day... and all that money is gone, and nothing has moved in positive direction -- technologically, we're nowhere where we were -- ahead of everyone, our healthcare has nothing to do with "care" but has turned into pure business, the tuition is outrageously high even in Public Schools, we're the only country in the world that has seen 400%+ gas price increase in the last 7 years...

And yet, some still believe that we're making this great progress in Iraq ($15B/month at least)... Lets say we "win" over there and all is quiet -- are we then going to send our tax money to rebuild the country? We should -- since our presence caused all the distruction. So, while our infrastructure is aging, we will be rebuilding some other country...

That is why I fear for the future of my kids...

EDIT: Socialism did not do it to my country. People were happy then and did not bother with the ethnic and religious problems... However, there is much more behind the fall of USSR, and other Eastern European (Communist/Socialist) countries than -- "what the Communism did to them..."
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I am so thankful everyday that the American people were made of firmer substance in 1777, 1863, and 1942. Sad, very sad.
Those days there was no cable TV, no XBOX, no Internet, and pretty much the only meaningful substance for entertainment was liquid.

That was a joke, of course, but I'm not kidding about people going to war today because they are bored or have nothing else to do with their lives. There are thousands of them and in this country too.
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I can't speak for your dad but when I use the term "limousine liberal," it does not refer to those who actually care about others but those who like others to think they care about others. They want rules that apply to everyone but themselves.

When I think of a "limousine liberal" I think of people who advocate for higher taxes but keep their own money sheltered. Refuse to support school choice while sending their kids to exclusive private schools. Refuse to allow us to drill for oil and want us to rely on alternative sources of energy but refuse to allow a wind farm off the coast of their summer house.

In other words, their actions do not match their rhetoric.
1. Higher taxes but keep their own money sheltered. How do you know how people shelter their money? A rich politician wants to raise taxes on the rich, so you call him a limousine liberal? Huh?

2. Public vs. private school - I'm a proponent of increasing taxes to increase spending on teachers salaries. You're not? You wouldn't send your kid to an exclusive private school, if you were rich? Everyone pays taxes for school, whether your child is in private school or not. I want public schools to be better. Public pay for pre-K - why not? Why would anyone home school their kids, anyway, if only to insulate them from 'dangerous ideas'? Families who homeschool don't do it because school is dangerous; it starts in grade school.

3. Put a wind farm next to my house. I would appreciate it. I think most people would. Who, specifically, doesn't want a wind farm off the coast of their summer house? Some kind of right-wing rumor?

It's going to take a long time before people find solutions to environmental problems. Thinking 'green' is a first step; lots of kinks to work out (e.g., the problems with carbon credits).

A lot of rich people are doing what they think is good for the environment, education, and poverty; don't dump on them for trying, to justify your narrow mindset. "These people really don't care" is a lie, a simple, vain, and insulting attack. Find better solutions. Problems need solving here. The status quo isn't working. Things are getting more screwed up every day. Let's hear about your solutions to make the world (and not your world) a better place (if you say prayer I'll vomit).
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I can't speak for your dad but when I use the term "limousine liberal," it does not refer to those who actually care about others but those who like others to think they care about others. They want rules that apply to everyone but themselves.

When I think of a "limousine liberal" I think of people who advocate for higher taxes but keep their own money sheltered. Refuse to support school choice while sending their kids to exclusive private schools. Refuse to allow us to drill for oil and want us to rely on alternative sources of energy but refuse to allow a wind farm off the coast of their summer house.

In other words, their actions do not match their rhetoric.


haha, true that..even in his post he only cares about the future of his children and no one elses.
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Again -- it says that I am not complaining about my situation...
What you draw from there is up to you.
I am not poor, and I work hard to keep my family in the middle class range, but the Gov't is working against those goals for 8 years now...
oh really? so why don't you sell your property and move to a cheaper area. you can be a tycoon in some small undeveloped town. now thats what i call a serious upgrade!
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This country did not GIVE me everything -- I took what I could. Just like all of those opportunities were open to the others, including yourself. But, just like in any pure and cruel capitalist society, it can all disappear overnight. And some may argue that it is OK, some (like me) would rather have more of "humane" society where other than material values are important -- hence, a little more tax taken for me that goes to fix our schools and healthcare and public transportation would be great. I would cut back on some things and adjust, but many others would benefit from the programs...

Some that oppose this view immediately call it Socialism or Communism without even understanding the meaning of the words...

I think this Administration was very successful in side-tracking us from the really important and real life issues with this unjust war, the whole terrorism deal and with the fear injected among the masses. By the time we (majority of the US population) realized that there are other important things in our lives, our standard of living is nowhere close to where it was 10 or 15 years ago, the prices are out of control, the spending is out of control, the unemployment is growing, people lose their homes every day... and all that money is gone, and nothing has moved in positive direction -- technologically, we're nowhere where we were -- ahead of everyone, our healthcare has nothing to do with "care" but has turned into pure business, the tuition is outrageously high even in Public Schools, we're the only country in the world that has seen 400%+ gas price increase in the last 7 years...

And yet, some still believe that we're making this great progress in Iraq ($15B/month at least)... Lets say we "win" over there and all is quiet -- are we then going to send our tax money to rebuild the country? We should -- since our presence caused all the distruction. So, while our infrastructure is aging, we will be rebuilding some other country...

That is why I fear for the future of my kids...

EDIT: Socialism did not do it to my country. People were happy then and did not bother with the ethnic and religious problems... However, there is much more behind the fall of USSR, and other Eastern European (Communist/Socialist) countries than -- "what the Communism did to them..."
so tell me how are we going to survive by electing a guy that wanting to turn the free market system into a communist/socialist state. you keep on speaking but yet you do not provide a solution. given your high iq, i am really interested in learning from some one who is brilliant. Do educated us Master!
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This country did not GIVE me everything -- I took what I could. Just like all of those opportunities were open to the others, including yourself. But, just like in any pure and cruel capitalist society, it can all disappear overnight. And some may argue that it is OK, some (like me) would rather have more of "humane" society where other than material values are important -- hence, a little more tax taken for me that goes to fix our schools and healthcare and public transportation would be great. I would cut back on some things and adjust, but many others would benefit from the programs...

Some that oppose this view immediately call it Socialism or Communism without even understanding the meaning of the words...

I think this Administration was very successful in side-tracking us from the really important and real life issues with this unjust war, the whole terrorism deal and with the fear injected among the masses. By the time we (majority of the US population) realized that there are other important things in our lives, our standard of living is nowhere close to where it was 10 or 15 years ago, the prices are out of control, the spending is out of control, the unemployment is growing, people lose their homes every day... and all that money is gone, and nothing has moved in positive direction -- technologically, we're nowhere where we were -- ahead of everyone, our healthcare has nothing to do with "care" but has turned into pure business, the tuition is outrageously high even in Public Schools, we're the only country in the world that has seen 400%+ gas price increase in the last 7 years...

And yet, some still believe that we're making this great progress in Iraq ($15B/month at least)... Lets say we "win" over there and all is quiet -- are we then going to send our tax money to rebuild the country? We should -- since our presence caused all the distruction. So, while our infrastructure is aging, we will be rebuilding some other country...

That is why I fear for the future of my kids...

EDIT: Socialism did not do it to my country. People were happy then and did not bother with the ethnic and religious problems... However, there is much more behind the fall of USSR, and other Eastern European (Communist/Socialist) countries than -- "what the Communism did to them..."

Do you even know what socialism is? So you took every thing that this country has to offer to move up in the world now all you can do in return is complaining about how horrible it is to live in the U.S. Hah, how is it that you are different than the capitalist pigs. Give me give me give me! That seems to be the attitute these days!
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This country did not GIVE me everything -- I took what I could. Just like all of those opportunities were open to the others, including yourself. But, just like in any pure and cruel capitalist society, it can all disappear overnight. And some may argue that it is OK, some (like me) would rather have more of "humane" society where other than material values are important -- hence, a little more tax taken for me that goes to fix our schools and healthcare and public transportation would be great. I would cut back on some things and adjust, but many others would benefit from the programs...

Some that oppose this view immediately call it Socialism or Communism without even understanding the meaning of the words...

I think this Administration was very successful in side-tracking us from the really important and real life issues with this unjust war, the whole terrorism deal and with the fear injected among the masses. By the time we (majority of the US population) realized that there are other important things in our lives, our standard of living is nowhere close to where it was 10 or 15 years ago, the prices are out of control, the spending is out of control, the unemployment is growing, people lose their homes every day... and all that money is gone, and nothing has moved in positive direction -- technologically, we're nowhere where we were -- ahead of everyone, our healthcare has nothing to do with "care" but has turned into pure business, the tuition is outrageously high even in Public Schools, we're the only country in the world that has seen 400%+ gas price increase in the last 7 years...

And yet, some still believe that we're making this great progress in Iraq ($15B/month at least)... Lets say we "win" over there and all is quiet -- are we then going to send our tax money to rebuild the country? We should -- since our presence caused all the distruction. So, while our infrastructure is aging, we will be rebuilding some other country...

That is why I fear for the future of my kids...

EDIT: Socialism did not do it to my country. People were happy then and did not bother with the ethnic and religious problems... However, there is much more behind the fall of USSR, and other Eastern European (Communist/Socialist) countries than -- "what the Communism did to them..."
do you even have friends or family that got killed in the world trade center ? if not, don't even say that this is an unjust war!
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