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      05-24-2008, 09:35 AM   #23
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Exactly, I did not get the impression she actually said that, but should have thought about it and how it will get interpreted...
Here's the main problem and for once I actually agree with Olbermann on something that's not sports-related. (he should have stayed on SportsCenter). There is absolutely no reason to invoke the image of Kennedy's assassination without inferring that someone should always be in the wings in case the unthinkable happens. If someone with an open mind can logically explain to me why this....."We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.".." has anything to do with this..."My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?"...in the context of "I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nominating primary contests that go into June." I'd love to hear it. (the first two quotes are Hillary's words to the editoral board, the third quote is her reasoning for being a world-class piece of shit). Kennedy's assassination has nothing to do with a long-running primary or the length of time to "wrap up" a nomination. The only thing is has to do with is an example of a candidate being shot down in cold blood and creating a dark day in american history. Period.

Just to show people how there is no other way to look at it, let's restate it in way that removes names. ..."My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?".."We all remember when that guy got shot and killed in June in California." If someone was to hear it in that manner, the first question is "What does a guy getting killed have to do with wrapping up a nomination?" For those of you who have had trouble "understanding" why this is a big deal does it make sense now?

I'm surprised Hillary didn't use this for an excuse.."What I really meant was that these primaries go on for way too long. If the primary in 1968 would have been over in Feb or March like mine should have been (with me winning), Kennedy probably wouldn't have been around to get assassinated."

If the point you want to make is that primaries can go on for a period of time, make your point by talking about something that doesn't include a candidate being shot on national TV in front of family, friends and hundreds of other people while celebrating what should have been a happy moment. That is even more true when your opponent is an African-American who has been subject to numerous death threats and probably worries about his and his family's safety on a regular basis regardless of the Secret Service protection they have.

We've had primaries for 40 years since Kennedy's death and NO ONE in the last 40 years has even come close to going where Hillary went yesterday, and March and April and May and who knows how many other times that aren't documented.

The only good to come out of this is for the american public to get a true understanding of what this person is truly about and that she actually has a set of balls. I say that because you need a large set of brass ones to a) make the statement to start with and b) get on national TV and act confused about why it's a bad statement.

For the record, I am not an Obama or Clinton supporter and frankly may not vote for any candidate this year and just write my own name in. This is not about an political agenda, this is about basic human decency and how in one moment yesterday, Hillary Clinton showed the world that she has none.

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      05-24-2008, 11:53 AM   #24
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Don't think that Hillary didn't know exactly what she was saying. If you believe for even a moment that she actually didn't mean to imply that someone (Obama) could be assassinated, you underestimate her intelligence.

So why did she say it? Simply because despite her intelligence, she seems to lack political acumen (or, she doesn't feel she's obliged to act with the decency and decorum most people would expect from a presidential candidate). She appears to believe she can lie, deceive, and make outrageous statements without consequence.

I don't believe you'll find more than a handful of Hillary supporters who can look you in the eye and tell you this wasn't a misstep and is the final nail in her political coffin.
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wow..i have just lost respect for her
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I started out being a Hillary supporter. I was in her corner when this campaign started. She not only has lost my support, but my respect - and her husband has severely impacted his legacy..esp. w/ the black community - the one demographic who always had his back.
Totally agree with you.
Same for McCain...a few years back he was a different politician and I really liked him and his ideas. Today, he's nothing in my eyes...
Obama is still the only one that sounds honest and still has my respect...
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Totally agree with you.
Same for McCain...a few years back he was a different politician and I really liked him and his ideas. Today, he's nothing in my eyes...
Obama is still the only one that sounds honest and still has my respect...
you give respect to a guy that want to sell out this country? wow, how patriotic!
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Are you a victim of "No Child Left Behind"? This is a very serious question.
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Are you a victim of "No Child Left Behind"? This is a very serious question.
That is too subtle for him - I'm serious...he won't get that...we need to type slow for him and be very blunt and simple.
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you give respect to a guy that want to sell out this country? wow, how patriotic!
The guy we have now sold the country for oil, and let the guy who killed 3000+ americans walk freely...
We don't need more of that crap...

Please explain how's Obama going to sell this country?
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The guy we have now sold the country for oil, and let the guy who killed 3000+ americans walk freely...
We don't need more of that crap...

Please explain how's Obama going to sell this country?
Dude, more people died per year in car accidents and cancer than the amount of soldiers died in Iraq. We do not have a draft and its a choice for these guys to go into the military. They know of the risks, what do you think would happen when guns are involved? Do you think that the people in the world trade center has a choice when the terrorists killed them? At least our soldiers had a chance to say goodbye to their families rather than going to work and getting killed. As far as oil is concerned, why don't you look into the correlation between supply & demand of oil and its relationship to the dollar before making such a dumb statement. China is hogging massive amount of oil like never before and that well only increases demand by a huge margin. if peolple want to reduce oil consumptions, instead of talking about this green crap, learn how to drive. i spent more fuel sitting in traffic because of some dumb ass drivers than flying down the highway at 100 mph.

Geez, how can Obama sell out the country? Don't get me even started. two major items:

1) Negotiating with our enemies is the best way to sell us out. These people don't give a shit about us. They rather kill us than sitting at the table and talk. They cannot stand our wealth and our acceptance of minorities. If it was up to these crazy terrorists, all minorities such as jewish, gay and african american would be dead. hell boca wouldn't even exist.

2) By raising taxes, individuals will have less incentives to work hence reduces the level of productivity in our economy. what are the incentives to work if everything is equal. i personally wouldn't work 80 hrs a week to pay more taxes into the system. i don't mind paying taxes to keep maintain our infrastructure going but i hate paying for lazy people and the middleman in order to distribute the wealth. why don't i just get assigned a person to take care of and i'll mail them a check every month. Free market works and while the rest of the world is going toward this model, we want to elect a guy that want to bring us back to socialism/communism. What the hell is that logic?
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Dude, more people died per year in car accidents and cancer than the amount of soldiers died in Iraq. We do not have a draft and its a choice for these guys to go into the military. They know of the risks, what do you think would happen when guns are involved? Do you think that the people in the world trade center has a choice when the terrorists killed them? At least our soldiers had a chance to say goodbye to their families rather than going to work and getting killed. As far as oil is concerned, why don't you look into the correlation between supply & demand of oil and its relationship to the dollar before making such a dumb statement. China is hogging massive amount of oil like never before and that well only increases demand by a huge margin. if peolple want to reduce oil consumptions, instead of talking about this green crap, learn how to drive. i spent more fuel sitting in traffic because of some dumb ass drivers than flying down the highway at 100 mph.

Geez, how can Obama sell out the country? Don't get me even started. two major items:

1) Negotiating with our enemies is the best way to sell us out. These people don't give a shit about us. They rather kill us than sitting at the table and talk. They cannot stand our wealth and our acceptance of minorities. If it was up to these crazy terrorists, all minorities such as jewish, gay and african american would be dead. hell boca wouldn't even exist.

2) By raising taxes, individuals will have less incentives to work hence reduces the level of productivity in our economy. what are the incentives to work if everything is equal. i personally wouldn't work 80 hrs a week to pay more taxes into the system. i don't mind paying taxes to keep maintain our infrastructure going but i hate paying for lazy people and the middleman in order to distribute the wealth. why don't i just get assigned a person to take care of and i'll mail them a check every month. Free market works and while the rest of the world is going toward this model, we want to elect a guy that want to bring us back to socialism/communism. What the hell is that logic?
Actually, you are better off calling people communist....it is better to be thought of as a fool than to type posts (like this) that remove all doubt...just for you:

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i hate liberals like yourself. theres a reason why! lol,
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Dude, more people died per year in car accidents and cancer than the amount of soldiers died in Iraq. We do not have a draft and its a choice for these guys to go into the military. They know of the risks, what do you think would happen when guns are involved? Do you think that the people in the world trade center has a choice when the terrorists killed them? At least our soldiers had a chance to say goodbye to their families rather than going to work and getting killed. As far as oil is concerned, why don't you look into the correlation between supply & demand of oil and its relationship to the dollar before making such a dumb statement. China is hogging massive amount of oil like never before and that well only increases demand by a huge margin. if peolple want to reduce oil consumptions, instead of talking about this green crap, learn how to drive. i spent more fuel sitting in traffic because of some dumb ass drivers than flying down the highway at 100 mph.

Geez, how can Obama sell out the country? Don't get me even started. two major items:

1) Negotiating with our enemies is the best way to sell us out. These people don't give a shit about us. They rather kill us than sitting at the table and talk. They cannot stand our wealth and our acceptance of minorities. If it was up to these crazy terrorists, all minorities such as jewish, gay and african american would be dead. hell boca wouldn't even exist.

2) By raising taxes, individuals will have less incentives to work hence reduces the level of productivity in our economy. what are the incentives to work if everything is equal. i personally wouldn't work 80 hrs a week to pay more taxes into the system. i don't mind paying taxes to keep maintain our infrastructure going but i hate paying for lazy people and the middleman in order to distribute the wealth. why don't i just get assigned a person to take care of and i'll mail them a check every month. Free market works and while the rest of the world is going toward this model, we want to elect a guy that want to bring us back to socialism/communism. What the hell is that logic?
Please listen to my advice and stay away from this discussion -- you keep sinking deeper and deeper with every post...

1) You're comparing ACCIDENTS with the criminal act of invading a sovereign country for the wrong reasons, killing thousands over there and losing 4500 of your own. And lying to the US public and the whole world why you did it...

2) NEGOTIATING is a diplomatic approach that would be appreciated by everyone vs. this cowboy, unplanned approach that distroyed everyone... Obama has never said he would negotiate with the enemy. Where as Bush has proven to be hugging with the enemy #1 family. Do you really believe Saudis and OBL family cut the ties with him???

3) Taxes, taxes... Again, use your head a little bit. You're all whining about lets say 10% tax raise and over look 400% gas, 100% energy high % food raise that Bush caused. Stop listening to that red neck propaganda of yours and use your head a little bit and realize that our standard has fallen sharply in the last 8 years -- with the lowest taxes in a while... So, what did those low taxes do for us -- NOTHING. Better bitch about the real things that are making our lives miserable and will make it much worse for our kids...
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i hate liberals like yourself. theres a reason why! lol,
I must be doing something right when you hate me.
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I'm a progressive socialist economically and libertarian socially; Since neither of the terms escape your vast ignorance, simply assume I actually am a communist - it will be easier for both of us, and you won't have to eat wikipedia's traffic.
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As for the abundantly idiotic comment regarding gasoline consumption and oil supply, keep in mind that gasoline is, while significant, only one of many products generated from crude oil - others to name a few are jet fuel, diesel, as well as industrial energy use. Also used in products such as medicine, cosmetics, and plastics.

The only reason why we rely on oil at the moment is because it was an abundant resource at the time of the discovery of its uses. It's certainly not the only energy source, not even the only portable energy source.
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Tripple post >.>

If you think negotiating is surrendering interests, you are misinformed. Negotiating is the process of reaching an agreement between any number of sides. You have three options when communicating regarding issues: you a) surrender, b) negotiate, c) persuade. This country has been persuading for a long time, and it's been working due to economical, military, and political weight that it held. Please note this isn't the case anymore. This country is in ridiculous debt, fully engaged in a conflict, and with current administrations help diminished most diplomatic standings it had during Clinton's presidency.

Welcome to the rest of the world. What had once been a superpower, right after the Soviet collapse, is now just another nuclear country that is just as much a danger to the rest of the world as North Korea.

Negotiating is probably the best thing we can be doing these days...
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Tripple post >.>

If you think negotiating is surrendering interests, you are misinformed. Negotiating is the process of reaching an agreement between any number of sides. You have three options when communicating regarding issues: you a) surrender, b) negotiate, c) persuade. This country has been persuading for a long time, and it's been working due to economical, military, and political weight that it held. Please note this isn't the case anymore. This country is in ridiculous debt, fully engaged in a conflict, and with current administrations help diminished most diplomatic standings it had during Clinton's presidency.

Welcome to the rest of the world. What had once been a superpower, right after the Soviet collapse, is now just another nuclear country that is just as much a danger to the rest of the world as North Korea.

Negotiating is probably the best thing we can be doing these days...
you're a dumb ass!
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