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      05-14-2008, 11:54 PM   #1
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Question M3 time on Nurburgring?

Is anyone know what is the time of M3 on Nurburgring?
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Is anyone know what is the time of M3 on Nurburgring?
8:07 if I am correct.......but be careful, by tomorrow morning you will get half-a-dozen replies with the icon plastered all over the place (this subject has been discussed in great detail).

Hope that info helps.....
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See here. I think it can be better...
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See here. I think it can be better...
My bad, I screwed our babies out of 2 seconds, and that is a lot.......

I should have never posted.......I know I am gonna get flamed for it
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I think the 8:05 is a conservative number.
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      05-15-2008, 02:11 AM   #6
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I think the 8:05 is a conservative number.
I really have to wonder if that's the best that they could do, I expect a better time than that. Do you think they just gave it one or two good runs and haven't tried again? Some listings put the RS4 at 7:58 though I can't find proof that Frank Stippler actually made that time.

Here's another list.
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My bad, I screwed our babies out of 2 seconds, and that is a lot.......

I should have never posted.......I know I am gonna get flamed for it


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I really have to wonder if that's the best that they could do, I expect a better time than that. Do you think they just gave it one or two good runs and haven't tried again? Some listings put the RS4 at 7:58 though I can't find proof that Frank Stippler actually made that time.

Here's another list.
As I understand it, the ring is a very popular place. If you want to get in you generally have to wait for your time. If the weather's bad or the conditions not right, then too bad. You'll have to wait for next time which might be weeks away. I don't know if it's quite this bad, but I think you get the general idea.

The folks who did the 8:05 may have only been able to do a one or two good runs, I don't know, but that seems plausible. You would think that if the GT-R did, what, 7:38?, in the rain, then Nissan would want to go back and try it again under better conditions. They probably do, but maybe they just don't think that reserving the track and all the other costs is worth it.

I could be all wrong about this, but I'm thinking that under different conditions the M3 can do better than 8:05 at the ring.
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8:05 is the official #....but the E46 CSL did a 7:50.....& the standard E46 M3 did 8:22.... Since the RS4 is under 8 minutes, I also think an M3 can break 8 minutes by a little bit
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8:05 is the official #....but the E46 CSL did a 7:50.....& the standard E46 M3 did 8:22.... Since the RS4 is under 8 minutes, I also think an M3 can break 8 minutes by a little bit
officiall time for RS4 is 8.09 min and its a sportauto time. Time 8.05 min for M3 is also a sportauto time. Both times done with the same driver which is crucial when comparing cars with others.
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Word... I have not seen a sub 8min time for the RS4. The E92's time is a huge improvement over the E46 M which is about all we can ask for....

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Word... I have not seen a sub 8min time for the RS4. The E92's time is a huge improvement over the E46 M which is about all we can ask for....
See this list for the sub 8 minute RS4 time, it shows 7:58. I tried to do the research once to confirm that time and all I could find was a reference that Frank Stippler said a sub 8 minute time would be no problem with the RS4 and that he did it with P-Zero Corsa tires.
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Put some R-compounds on it and you'll shave 15-20 seconds easily.

An even more important question is what lap time can you do in your car (M or other), what someone else can do doesn't matter really unless that person is the one driving you around day to day, which would be no fun.

I did a 10:45 in a 95hp B class Mercedes on snow tires
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7:58 --- 156.66 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) http://www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.ph...16841&t=16841\

the car was on PSC's, PCCB option, and may have been lightened...

8:09 --- 151.66 km/h – Audi RS4, 420 PS/1728 kg (sport auto 06/06)


8:04 --- 153.22 km/h -- Audi R8, 420 PS/1595 kg (sport auto 07/07) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=133046
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- BMW M3, 420 PS/1608 kg (sport auto 12/07) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=145617
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- Mercedes CLK 63 AMG Black Series, 507 PS/1745 kg (sport auto 03/08) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=152624

all 3 on sport tires...
M3 60k$
R8 90k+
CLK63 BS 120k+

it's a bargin
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Put some R-compounds on it and you'll shave 15-20 seconds easily.

An even more important question is what lap time can you do in your car (M or other), what someone else can do doesn't matter really unless that person is the one driving you around day to day, which would be no fun.

I did a 10:45 in a 95hp B class Mercedes.
the M3 was on R-compount PSC+'s...
iirc, BMW, Michelin, Walter Roherl and Horst all said the tires may be worth 5-6 sec...
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the M3 was on R-compount PSC+'s...
iirc, BMW, Michelin, Walter Roherl and Horst all said the tires may be worth 5-6 sec...

I'm not doubting the expertise of the folks saying this however it seems as if softer tires would be worth more than .5 seconds per mile. As a comparison at Watkins Glen R compounds are good for 1-2 seconds per mile.

I'm not an expert, just my thoughts.
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Its funny how much we all quote certain track times, like the ring.....whats even funnier is I doubt there is anyone on this list with enough experience on the ring that they could come even remotely close to the 8:05 time, just from not driving the ring hundreds of times like most the test drivers do!!!!

I just like to know what my car is capable of IF I was capable of driving that well!!
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Wow...so M3 is 30 seconds slower than the GT-R?! I hope M3 can do under 8...
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Is anyone knows that top ten on Nurburgring?
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new caddy cts-v did it in 7:59.....supposedly production sedan record according to autoblog...

new csl NEEDS to be announced already.... especially with the simliarly priced gtr wiping the fucking floor with the m3 and everything within $100k of its price.....vspec on the way too...

enough with the frilly convertibles and showy bullshit, if youre gonna have motorsport in the goddamn cars name give the purists a real fucking beast. m3 is a hell of a machine and its engine is a marvel, but imo, the new m3 should really be named 340i.
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I'm not doubting the expertise of the folks saying this however it seems as if softer tires would be worth more than .5 seconds per mile. As a comparison at Watkins Glen R compounds are good for 1-2 seconds per mile.

I'm not an expert, just my thoughts.
what's the average speed for an M3 at the Glen?

the Ring is 95 mph, that's pretty fast...
a lot of straights...
a lot of turns are banked also...high speeed sweepers...
and depends on the weather and driver skill...

they are saying the GTR did 7:29 on street tires (I don't believe it)
3900/480/street tires/????
2700/650/semi-slicks/a racing driver...
same time...

my point is, if it picked up 2 sec/mile due to tires it would be doing ~7 flat
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