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      05-14-2008, 12:06 PM   #1
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Public inquiry into Iraqi's death

A UK public inquiry will be held into the death of Iraqi civilian Baha Mousa, the government has announced.

Mr Mousa died while in British Army detention after being taken into custody in Basra in September 2003.

Defence Secretary Des Browne told MPs an inquiry "will reassure the public that we are leaving no stone unturned in investigating his tragic death".

Lawyers for Mr Mousa's relatives said other alleged cases of manslaughter and torture should also be examined.

Mr Mousa, a hotel receptionist, died after being taken into custody.

His post-mortem examination showed he suffered asphyxiation and had some 93 injuries to his body.

Mr Browne, announcing the inquiry, said: "A public inquiry into the death of Baha Mousa is the right thing to do.

"The Army has nothing to hide in this respect and is keen to learn all the lessons it can from this terrible incident."

Mr Browne also issued a Written Ministerial Statement to Parliament, saying that the terms of reference had yet to be set and the Army and Ministry of Defence would co-operate.

He added: "Overall, the conduct of tens of thousands of our people in Iraq has been exemplary; it is a tiny number who have caused a stain on the reputation of the British Army.

"But that does not mean we can allow these events to pass without looking into them thoroughly."


Court martial

Chief of the General Staff, General Sir Richard Dannatt said a court martial in 2007, as well as the Aitken Report into training this year had "gone some way to shed light on this disgraceful incident".

Cpl Donald Payne was jailed for a year in 2007 after pleaded guilty to inhumanely treating civilian detainees in Basra in 2003.

Six other soldiers were cleared of the alleged abuse of the detainees, who included Mr Mousa.

"The Army knows that Mr Baha Mousa should have been treated properly and lawfully but he was not," Gen Dannatt said.

"This was not a case of misjudgement in the heat of battle, or in the heat of the moment. There can be no excuse."

Solicitor Phil Shiner Mr Shiner, who represents Mr Mousa's family and other Iraqis said to have been mistreated, said a broad inquiry into the British Army's detention policy is necessary.

"This would need to get to the bottom of how it came about that the five techniques banned in 1972 - hooding, stressing, food and water deprivation, sleep deprivation and noise - were reintroduced as apparently standard operating procedure for all Battle Groups."
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      05-14-2008, 12:07 PM   #2
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Here's a pic of Baha Mousa, I'd rather not post pics of his body that have been put up on national TV.
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      05-17-2008, 03:04 PM   #3
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These are soliders who are trained for war and who are in the thick of a war, they are stressed out and strung out. We cannot blame them for reacting naturally to the environment they are placed in. I do believe in the moral rights and duties of the individual and their own actions, however we have trained them to act a certain way and put them into a certain position for really only one goal. I think the fault in these circumstances lies with the people who have created the situation in the first place. Soldiers in a foreign land will always act out in atrocities, thats unfortunatly a reality of humanity and the world we live in. Not to condone it, but thats the reality. The USA/UK have done more then any nation in history to limit these atrocities to the bare minimum they are at now. (Consider what atrocities the Iraqi military was involved in their own occupation of Kuwait, or the atrocities Israeli soldiers commit in the occupied territories and you will see that the US/UK military are the most highly trained and professional fighting force the world has ever known).
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^^^

I agree that true fault lies with the people who started the war and those people who supported it. However, 93 injuries to a body, what does that tell you? It is either a crime of passion. Maybe you hated the person so much you wanted to torture them...and yeah 93 injuries is torture.

To me in this case it means there was more than one person who took part in the torturing of this man. It worries me that groups of soldiers are taking part in these crimes.
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