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      05-11-2008, 05:59 AM   #23
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just look at the caddy and compare it to a M... do you think they are in the same league? the caddy looks like upchucked... the m like a diva. i wont mind 4sec at the ring overall , knowing i d drive a car and not such a thing...
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      05-11-2008, 08:56 AM   #24
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just look at the caddy and compare it to a M... do you think they are in the same league? the caddy looks like upchucked... the m like a diva. i wont mind 4sec at the ring overall , knowing i d drive a car and not such a thing...
Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but examining the cars up close in NY, I thought the CTS-V was definitely more appealing than either the M3 coupe or sedan.

I should also say that beauty is maybe sixth on my list, behind go, stop, handle, comfort and "quiet" (in the sense that I'll allow it to be a bit loud, as long as it's musical).

Oh. Do I think the CTS-V and the M3 are in the same league? Of course. So would anyone else who wasn't a Kool-Aid drinker for a particular brand.

I expect the CTS-V to play broadsword to the bimmer's rapier. One can debate the merits of either weapon in a battle, but you can't declare that each is not a serious and important weapon.

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      05-11-2008, 10:18 AM   #25
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Michelin Pilot Sport Cup+ actually which is a far cry from the non +. Funny that the item with the + is less sporty. Do you know what tires the Caddy was running?
I infer from various posts (such as yours) that the Pilot Sport Cup + is somewhere between the PS2 and Pilot Sport Cup?

Where might I find actual info on that tire?

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It's still a Cadillac.
So that makes your M3 and its Ring time, it's still a BMW? Such remarks proliferate the BMW to porcupine theory.

Well deserved Kudos to Cadillac.
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      05-11-2008, 12:39 PM   #27
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So that makes your M3 and its Ring time, it's still a BMW? Such remarks proliferate the BMW to porcupine theory.

Well deserved Kudos to Cadillac.
Yes, kudos to them...They are making different cars now than they used to, no doubt. It has nothing to do with my BMW and it's Ring time.....it has to do with my opinion of American cars vs. German cars. That's it.
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      05-11-2008, 01:41 PM   #28
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I like the new CTS-V.....thats gonna be a wicked ride..... Its power to weight is slightly better than the M3....around 7.6 for the caddy and 8.6 for the M....so it should beat it in a drag race... I am surprised about the lap time around the ring for such a heavy car.... It will be interesting to see its times at other well known circuits....

Another factor in the caddy's favor is how easy it will be to bump up the HP....some tuning and a pulley could be 100hp?
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I infer from various posts (such as yours) that the Pilot Sport Cup + is somewhere between the PS2 and Pilot Sport Cup?

Where might I find actual info on that tire?

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Bruce
That is my understanding. I have not driven on the Cup+. Google around. http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/front/a...20080128103043 . Cup+ may be only available outside the US.
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That is my understanding. I have not driven on the Cup+. Google around. http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/front/a...20080128103043 . Cup+ may be only available outside the US.
Thanks. I've googled it as well, but have yet to come up with anything that actually places the tire somewhere in the street/race firmament. That is to say, I still don't know whether it's "below" the Sport Cup we get in this country, or in fact above it as its successor. You (and others) have placed it at somewhere between the PS2 and Sport Cup, but I'm just looking for how one knows this.

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Some time ago we had this article: http://www.reifenpresse.de/CDML007/e...ecID=14471.com

It mentions that also wet handling has been taken into account. IMO that's new over the old Pilot Sport Cup.


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      05-11-2008, 09:16 PM   #32
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Some time ago we had this article: http://www.reifenpresse.de/CDML007/e...ecID=14471.com

It mentions that also wet handling has been taken into account. IMO that's new over the old Pilot Sport Cup.


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Thanks. Too bad I don't read German to see what the SportAuto guys thought.

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Thanks. Too bad I don't read German to see what the SportAuto guys thought.

Bruce
Sorry, late reply.

In case you're referring to the Supertest, they more or less cited what BMW has told 'em: They said something along the lines of 'it's not a ultra sport tire like the Corsas, it's just the best street tire.' In the wet handling chapter they mentioned that the achieved time seems to confirm BMW's statement.


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This will be interesting to see what the guys at Top Gear have to say about the CTS-V when they finally review it. I for one, am happy that GM is finally making a serious sports sedan that does not embarass itself when compared to BMW and Mercedes.
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just look at the caddy and compare it to a M... do you think they are in the same league? the caddy looks like upchucked... the m like a diva. i wont mind 4sec at the ring overall , knowing i d drive a car and not such a thing...
Compared to the M, I think the new CTS-V looks as good if not better than the M3 sedan, just a different approach.

But it will never look as good as the E46 M3.

Now GM just has to make a V-series out of the upcoming CTS coupe.
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      05-14-2008, 08:50 PM   #36
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Here's the VID of the run.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/14/v...nto-submissio/

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Driver John Heinricy completed a lap of the legendary Nordschleife in 7:59.32 which could possibly be the fastest recorded time for a production sedan on factory-spec street tires.
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1545122232

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      05-15-2008, 10:48 PM   #37
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At 550 BHP im not at all suprised. Bit embarasing for us though....
looks like we need to throttle up a bit.
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just look at the caddy and compare it to a M... do you think they are in the same league? the caddy looks like upchucked... the m like a diva. i wont mind 4sec at the ring overall , knowing i d drive a car and not such a thing...
yeah, I still don't like the styling on the Cadi either, but they deserve credit for making it perform so well
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that cool Caddie is making a fast car, and a good one. now my grandpa can finally trade in his seville on a sports sedan.
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I can only cringe at what tuners will do with this new CTS-V and the new ZR1. I hear 700 horsepower can be attained with minimal mods.
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HEY! You guys .. The video is up ... and what is impressive isn't what the Driver did, but what he DIDN'T do during the video. I won't spoil it for you, but it definitely impresses me.

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HEY! You guys .. The video is up ... and what is impressive isn't what the Driver did, but what he DIDN'T do during the video. I won't spoil it for you, but it definitely impresses me.

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Same video on post #36. I haven't been able to watch the whole video, so what exactly that he "didn't do"?
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Same video on post #36. I haven't been able to watch the whole video, so what exactly that he "didn't do"?
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The CTS-V I think is a great car, It's nice to see the Domestic market returning to making quality products. But with the CAFE standards coming soon I think the Euro market will once again be the only ones left in the competition.
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