135 VS M3 OLA PDC results....

Win-@-all-cost · 05-08-2008, 08:53 AM

I know it is and has been a touchy subject that has been beaten to death but I would like to share something I find interesting. Yesterday the OLA stopped by the BMW PDC center and a 135 with AA piggyback, Motons, LSD and PF front brake calipers edged out the E90 M3. The E90 was driven by one of the PDC instructors (home track advantage) while the 135 was driven by James Clay. I haven’t looked or compared any of the rest of the results of OLA, but I did get a text to alert me of the PDC results. VIR will be interesting too, that is Clay’s home track so the M3 will have its work cut out.

I am pretty confident an M3 with similar mods (read Motons, PF's) would have probably been faster. On the track suspension and brakes are worth more time than anything….

consolidated · 05-08-2008, 09:24 AM

Motons, no longer a street car, or one you'd want to ride in.

Epacy · 05-08-2008, 09:33 AM

JEllis · 05-08-2008, 09:54 AM

modded vs stock is never a very good comparison... There are modded mustangs that could probably beat an M3 around certain tracks. I am not running out to buy one though.

Jason

man02195 · 05-08-2008, 10:58 AM

Looks like the 135 beat the M3 in most races. I'd like to see the results of James Clay driving the M3 and Mike Renner dirving the 135 to take the driver variability out of the equation.

Win-@-all-cost · 05-08-2008, 11:04 AM

I do not spend all that much time on forums so I am kind of a newb here. Please forgive me for posting in the wrong forum.

I have an E92 M3 in my driveway and would not trade it for a 135.

I realize that one is stock and the other is not and that is why I specified that in my post. I also suggested that the M3 with Motons would probably win. There are many moded cars that could be faster but to compare it to a mustang is ridiculous. They are both BMWs albeit of different calibers, but for the argument of which would be more bang for your buck, I think this is relevant.

Motons are not bad on the street at all, in fact they are more forgiving on the street than just about any other aftermarket shock/spring package that is/will be available. They have a very wide range of adjustment which allows them to be softened up. I bet Motons with after market springs would be softer than a car w/ EDC in its static mode with the same after market springs. But this is not the point for my post.

Again, I really enjoy my car and I am in no way trying to promote one over the other. I was just throwing the little factoids out there.

Davinhci · 05-08-2008, 11:05 AM

I guess the 135 will beat the ISF, RS4, C63 too huh? You better run out and get 135 now. Hurry

Win-@-all-cost · 05-08-2008, 11:09 AM

Clay is a great driver. I have raced with and against him. It is my understanding that Mike Renner is a competent driver as well. He definitely has turned more laps at PDC than anyone else there...

ersin · 05-08-2008, 11:14 AM

Lots of hate against the OP here huh?

He's just pointing out some objective results. The 135 is a cool car. News alert: you can mod it and make it fast.

The M3 is cooler, and can probably be made faster if you want to mod it. But at the end of the day the M3 is also more luxurious, more practical, and more comfortable. You pay for it but it's worth it to some people, like me. For others, their money is better spent on the 135 (or 335). It's all good.

Win-@-all-cost · 05-08-2008, 11:14 AM

Davinhca are you serious? Did you even read what I wrote?

consolidated · 05-08-2008, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Win-@-all-cost

I do not spend all that much time on forums so I am kind of a newb here. Please forgive me for posting in the wrong forum.

I have an E92 M3 in my driveway and would not trade it for a 135.

I realize that one is stock and the other is not and that is why I specified that in my post. I also suggested that the M3 with Motons would probably win. There are many moded cars that could be faster but to compare it to a mustang is ridiculous. They are both BMWs albeit of different calibers, but for the argument of which would be more bang for your buck, I think this is relevant.

Motons are not bad on the street at all, in fact they are more forgiving on the street than just about any other aftermarket shock/spring package that is/will be available. They have a very wide range of adjustment which allows them to be softened up. I bet Motons with after market springs would be softer than a car w/ EDC in its static mode with the same after market springs. But this is not the point for my post.

Again, I really enjoy my car and I am in no way trying to promote one over the other. I was just throwing the little factoids out there.

Clubsport and higher range Motons are not good street and track coilovers. to get what you can out of them you'd go with stiffer spring rates, and monoball mounts. if your tuning them for the street then your compromising them for the track, if that's the case then why spend $5K for race suspension when your not working them any more than Bilsteins, KWs...

monoball mounts make for a noisy and harsher street car.

rebound and compression damping are in relation to spring rate.

Davinhci · 05-08-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Win-@-all-cost

Davinhca are you serious? Did you even read what I wrote?

After I posted I saw your post jump in before mine.

Billy13 · 05-09-2008, 12:47 AM

Is this a foreign language?

par4bmw · 05-09-2008, 01:09 AM

There are going to be some killer 135s! M3s are so nice out of the box I do not imagine a lot of them will be modded heavily. Cool to see the 1 series has great potential.

schnell325 · 05-09-2008, 01:32 AM

Buy both?

sayemthree · 05-09-2008, 02:45 AM

the 1 series is nice, its fast and its REALLY CUTE!!!!!

KINGLEH · 05-12-2008, 01:43 AM

i cheked out the i35... it was pretty heavily modified...

also when it was on track.. it was compeltly stripped.. including all the seats except the driver one of corse....

they said it was 400wheel hp area too....

the guy that was driving it.. usually overdrove it and would make a mistake...

S4to335 · 05-15-2008, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by consolidated

Motons, no longer a street car, or one you'd want to ride in.

Not true, I have lots of friends with motons on their cars that are driven on street and track.

05-08-2008, 08:53 AM	#1
Win-@-all-cost New Member Drives: BMW's Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 22 iTrader: (0)	135 VS M3 OLA PDC results.... I know it is and has been a touchy subject that has been beaten to death but I would like to share something I find interesting. Yesterday the OLA stopped by the BMW PDC center and a 135 with AA piggyback, Motons, LSD and PF front brake calipers edged out the E90 M3. The E90 was driven by one of the PDC instructors (home track advantage) while the 135 was driven by James Clay. I haven’t looked or compared any of the rest of the results of OLA, but I did get a text to alert me of the PDC results. VIR will be interesting too, that is Clay’s home track so the M3 will have its work cut out. I am pretty confident an M3 with similar mods (read Motons, PF's) would have probably been faster. On the track suspension and brakes are worth more time than anything….
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05-08-2008, 09:33 AM	#3
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05-08-2008, 09:54 AM	#4
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05-08-2008, 10:58 AM	#5
man02195 Lieutenant Drives: e90 M3 M-DCT, SG-status 111 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NC Posts: 486 iTrader: (0)	Looks like the 135 beat the M3 in most races. I'd like to see the results of James Clay driving the M3 and Mike Renner dirving the 135 to take the driver variability out of the equation. __________________ E90 M3 Sedan \| M-DCT \| SG \| Black Leather \| Carbon Leather Trim \| Premium \| Technology \| Enhanced Sound \| 19's \| Moonroof \| Fold Down \| Heated \| iPod \| Parkdist \| Sunshade \|Week 22 \| Just unloaded from Emden \| Performance Center Delivery July 17th (Great Experience!)

05-08-2008, 11:05 AM	#7
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05-08-2008, 09:24 AM	#2
consolidated Major Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,226 iTrader: (1)	Motons, no longer a street car, or one you'd want to ride in.

05-08-2008, 11:04 AM	#6
Win-@-all-cost New Member Drives: BMW's Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 22 iTrader: (0)	I do not spend all that much time on forums so I am kind of a newb here. Please forgive me for posting in the wrong forum. I have an E92 M3 in my driveway and would not trade it for a 135. I realize that one is stock and the other is not and that is why I specified that in my post. I also suggested that the M3 with Motons would probably win. There are many moded cars that could be faster but to compare it to a mustang is ridiculous. They are both BMWs albeit of different calibers, but for the argument of which would be more bang for your buck, I think this is relevant. Motons are not bad on the street at all, in fact they are more forgiving on the street than just about any other aftermarket shock/spring package that is/will be available. They have a very wide range of adjustment which allows them to be softened up. I bet Motons with after market springs would be softer than a car w/ EDC in its static mode with the same after market springs. But this is not the point for my post. Again, I really enjoy my car and I am in no way trying to promote one over the other. I was just throwing the little factoids out there.

05-08-2008, 11:09 AM	#8
Win-@-all-cost New Member Drives: BMW's Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 22 iTrader: (0)	Clay is a great driver. I have raced with and against him. It is my understanding that Mike Renner is a competent driver as well. He definitely has turned more laps at PDC than anyone else there...

05-08-2008, 11:14 AM	#9
ersin Brigadier General Drives: 08 IB E92 M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 3,468 iTrader: (0)	Lots of hate against the OP here huh? He's just pointing out some objective results. The 135 is a cool car. News alert: you can mod it and make it fast. The M3 is cooler, and can probably be made faster if you want to mod it. But at the end of the day the M3 is also more luxurious, more practical, and more comfortable. You pay for it but it's worth it to some people, like me. For others, their money is better spent on the 135 (or 335). It's all good. __________________ I've been assimilated. 6MT/ZPP/18"/PS extended.

05-09-2008, 12:47 AM	#13
Billy13 Billy Drives: 2003 Infiniti G35 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Houston Posts: 11 iTrader: (0)	Is this a foreign language?

05-09-2008, 01:09 AM	#14
par4bmw Lieutenant Drives: 370Z & My JK Toy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 494 iTrader: (0)	There are going to be some killer 135s! M3s are so nice out of the box I do not imagine a lot of them will be modded heavily. Cool to see the 1 series has great potential.

05-09-2008, 01:32 AM	#15
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05-09-2008, 02:45 AM	#16
sayemthree Brigadier General Drives: bmw Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: usa Posts: 4,846 iTrader: (0)	the 1 series is nice, its fast and its REALLY CUTE!!!!!

05-12-2008, 01:43 AM	#17
KINGLEH Major Drives: 00 GTR - 09 E92 M Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 1,043 iTrader: (1)	i cheked out the i35... it was pretty heavily modified... also when it was on track.. it was compeltly stripped.. including all the seats except the driver one of corse.... they said it was 400wheel hp area too.... the guy that was driving it.. usually overdrove it and would make a mistake...