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      05-03-2008, 06:38 PM   #1
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Analysis - Why the BMW E92 M3 is a Huge Let Down

Taken from a blog so pls dont flame me but seek your opinion or personal analysis:

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The best two M3's were the first generation and the E46 M3. The reason why is at the time, they had absolutely no competitors for the price (at least in the USA, since the GT-R still destroyed M3's everywhere else). The E46 M3, when released in 2001 not only looked FAR better than all other E46's, it performed head and shoulders above them as well. They absolutely crushed all their competition at their price. But now, BMW has a huge problem. The first is internal. BMW is now trying to sell 100,000 M3's a year by their own words, and you can't do this without diluting ///M the brand. They had to soften it from the previous gen, and although its a great car, its a compromise between luxury and track performance. It absolutely is NOT a track car. Its just another car you can take to the track. Also, now you have other problems in that the Audi RS4 can go toe to toe with the M3, and the brand new Nissan GT-R absolutely destroys it at the same price on any field anywhere regardless of the test. The M3 has been dethroned. And this is coming from someone who has a E46 and E93. Face it, the legend of the M3 is just history now. BMW has resorting to allow the ///M to stand for MARKETING instead of motorsport now


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Taken from a blog so pls dont flame me but seek your opinion or personal analysis:

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The best two M3's were the first generation and the E46 M3. The reason why is at the time, they had absolutely no competitors for the price (at least in the USA, since the GT-R still destroyed M3's everywhere else). The E46 M3, when released in 2001 not only looked FAR better than all other E46's, it performed head and shoulders above them as well. They absolutely crushed all their competition at their price. But now, BMW has a huge problem. The first is internal. BMW is now trying to sell 100,000 M3's a year by their own words, and you can't do this without diluting ///M the brand. They had to soften it from the previous gen, and although its a great car, its a compromise between luxury and track performance. It absolutely is NOT a track car. Its just another car you can take to the track. Also, now you have other problems in that the Audi RS4 can go toe to toe with the M3, and the brand new Nissan GT-R absolutely destroys it at the same price on any field anywhere regardless of the test. The M3 has been dethroned. And this is coming from someone who has a E46 and E93. Face it, the legend of the M3 is just history now. BMW has resorting to allow the ///M to stand for MARKETING instead of motorsport now


your thoughts?
I would have to partially agree. In the past the M-cars were second to none. You really had to upgrade in price brackets to be able to compete on performance. But now it's not only competition from other brands (RS4, STi, GT-R) but also within. The fact that you can mod a 335 to get similar performances (at a relatively cheap price - Proceed/Juicebox)...

To each their own and yes there is more to an M-car than just hp, but the mystic of the car from my childhood is all but gone.
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      05-04-2008, 12:03 AM   #4
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Hey Flyingfart who ever did write that sucks balls.
Agree with that. I've owned BMWs from a new '73 2002 through my last 6 1/2 year realtionship with an E46 M3. The E92 carries on the legacy just fine. If you're talking pure numbers, the GT-R blows it all away. But, end of a typical day, that means nothing. What gives you pleasure is the driving experience. I've got to say the '08 is more fun than my '01 was. It's all of one piece, comfortable yet extemely capable. The sound of the V8 and the thurst is intoxicating. That "analysis" is very slanted and I don't agree with it at all.
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Damn, the E92 M3 not the dentist's choice #1? I'm so disappointed...


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typical net blog, over dramatic, amateur journalism.

just take it for what's it's worth, no more than any post here at m3post. funny how he chose a 997 CS after lauding the GTR, there are things that other cars offer than some overdogs don't.
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To Those who are posting this BS,
Have you driven an M3? or are we speculating on someone else's opinion? All the owners of the M3 on this board think otherwise.
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...your thoughts?
My thoughts are that this was horribly written, wrong on many counts, and amounts to pure dribble. I would have never thought it merited it's own thread.
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this thread suks, its just crap, e46 is great car but it is the one is hystory now, 08 m3 would take down that porche.
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What a bunch of crap, that guy is obviously a total idiot.
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drive it before you say shiet like this...why post this crap anyway?
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To say that it is not a track car is BS. I my drove e92 M3 on the road course at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway. In power sport-plus with edc set to sport the car is a frickin beast.
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my analysis:

yesterday I was able to test drive a C63 at a local dealer who happens to get a 2008 'C63 AMG at their lot. The CA was able to just have me drive it around the parking lot several times to get the feel for it. Its undeniably very torguey from the get go, I was very surprse but still very concerned that the rear end is very loose. I almost wrap the car around a light post

This a very dangerous car to have to be playing around the torgueness, I though. This car reminds me of a Viper the has the power but without a purpose. This car longevity will be very short live I thought, with the gas prices moving towards $5 and more. I will have no control over how I need to manage the power, much less the gas I put in it. Its there and to be paid for at $4.26 every 10 miles. Not FUN

So OK lets say you're finally called a AMG guy, Can I still sustain hanging around my crowd for their long drives and not think that I have to fork another $75 to fill the tank, much else hope to find a service station nearby. Will folks see me and say "Look at that AMG, stopping for gas again. What a way to go to be a wannabe"

To me Not all that glitters is gold for why did the Benz GM offered me 2 ea. Benz 2yr/26k mile maintenance service last night in his effort to get my business. Its then clear that they cant moved the car with today economy, and high gas prices. The last thing a prospecrive AMG buyer coming from a Bimmer world is that he has to fork out cash for service every 10k miles driven.

Its foolish to even use the argument that there are 80 AMGs vs 800 e92 M3 cars in the marketplace as a driving point for the favoring the Merc. Study your logic, is called proportionality. A guy that made 80 cars vs a guy that made 800 cars will both loose 10% proportion on their marketshare in a slow market. Its simply that the guy who made more cars, had projected bigger sales bcoz he has bigger market shares vs a guy that has less.

I hope to move up to a M3 someday, for it seems like it has the staying power that most can only attempt to dethrone. Even 335i owners brag of their Tque, find themselves turning the car for the M badge, soon I will be too.
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spike357, the M3 is not a track car. It is a sports car you can take to the track if you want to.

And just because you drove an E92 M3 around LVMS, doesn't mean you are an automotive journalist capable of giving a real review. Drive it on a course with elevation changes and see how all the mass affects the handling... I've been around LVMS many a time and to judge a car off of driving it around a track outside of a Nascar circuit holds nothing compared even to a youtube video review from another country of that car.

And spike, I hope you have an SCCA license so you can back up your review....
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My thoughts are that this was horribly written, wrong on many counts, and amounts to pure dribble. I would have never thought it merited it's own thread.
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The new M3 doesn't suck. It's just that the competitors are starting to catch up.
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my analysis:

yesterday I was able to test drive a C63 at a local dealer who happens to get a 2008 'C63 AMG at their lot. The CA was able to just have me drive it around the parking lot several times to get the feel for it. Its undeniably very torguey from the get go, I was very surprse but still very concerned that the rear end is very loose. I almost wrap the car around a light post
Did I read this right you almost crashed a car in a parking lot?

Are you serious you judged the C63 off a lap around the dealership?


I propose that all jerkoffs wanting to come here and slam the M3 include in there post a photo of the title to an M3 with there name on it because every negative thread I read always has one constant THEY DONT OWN A M3
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I will say that does irritate me, as well. Even though I am a troll since I don't own an E92 M3, I still lurk the boards in search of enlightening posts, or the lack therof.
Having said that, a friend of mine has a Jet Black/black M3 and it's gnarly... A good comparison/yet so much different than my RS4. But who's counting...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyingfart View Post
Taken from a blog so pls dont flame me but seek your opinion or personal analysis:

synosis:

The best two M3's were the first generation and the E46 M3. The reason why is at the time, they had absolutely no competitors for the price (at least in the USA, since the GT-R still destroyed M3's everywhere else). The E46 M3, when released in 2001 not only looked FAR better than all other E46's, it performed head and shoulders above them as well. They absolutely crushed all their competition at their price. But now, BMW has a huge problem. The first is internal. BMW is now trying to sell 100,000 M3's a year by their own words, and you can't do this without diluting ///M the brand. They had to soften it from the previous gen, and although its a great car, its a compromise between luxury and track performance. It absolutely is NOT a track car. Its just another car you can take to the track. Also, now you have other problems in that the Audi RS4 can go toe to toe with the M3, and the brand new Nissan GT-R absolutely destroys it at the same price on any field anywhere regardless of the test. The M3 has been dethroned. And this is coming from someone who has a E46 and E93. Face it, the legend of the M3 is just history now. BMW has resorting to allow the ///M to stand for MARKETING instead of motorsport now


your thoughts?

You're absolutely on the spot with the rs4 comparison to the E93. But in regards to the GT-R comparison, it really isn't the same. Although the GT-R is listed for the same price, a few of my friends are paying anywhere from 10-20k over. In any case, at its price range, the GT-R can take even the 997 turbo at the track. In such a competitive market, it's no suprise that BMW has spruce up the luxury to make the new Ms more marketable and profitable. Over all though, I like the new M just as much as I did my e46. There's always going to be a better and faster car. It is what it is.

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my thoughts are this guy has no credibility. the e30 was a cult car for sure. it was far ahead of its time. it beat everything - but its time is past. most people beleive the e36 was actually a better car than the e46 even tho the e46 had more power. the e36 had more go cart like handling. after having owned a e36, e46, and now an e92 IMO the e92 FAR surpasses them both in every way. the e92 has the handling more like the e36 and better with 414 hp. e30 is nice if you want to drive a vintage car with huge repair and maintnence bills.
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