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View Poll Results: Is America too damn religious?
NO! It should be more religious in order to be saved! 11 22.45%
Hell yeah! It needs to focus on advancement of science! 27 55.10%
It's just where it needs to be. 11 22.45%
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      04-30-2008, 04:53 PM   #1
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Is America too damn religious?

Pres candidate's pastors, religious forums...not a word about SCIENCE?
Are we moving backwards?
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We're still the least religious country I can think of... besides maybe Canada. Religion in America is a business... that's why we tend to hear so much about it. While other countries might be more religious, the line between politics and religion in America is a very blurred one, which often brings religion to the public forefront.

Thus, I don't really have an answer to your question. The people of America on the whole are not very religious, but religion might be too American (profit/politically driven)
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we're super religious. we worship money, and we're very religious about it.
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The seperation of Church and State has steadily diminished. NOT GOOD!
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The seperation of Church and State has steadily diminished. NOT GOOD!
You didn't major in American history did you?
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american history? what history... the book was 2 black pages

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You didn't major in American history did you?
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with ganeil on this one. The separation between church and state has been diminished greatly. It used to be pretty well separated, but now Atheism and government go hand in hand at the expense of every other religion.
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I think certain atheist groups take the agenda too far. I do think that religion plays a huge part in higher government descision making process, which is ultimately bad, however I fail to see the benefit of aligning religion with tradition.

When I hear about religion playing a role in social issues such as abortion, and gay rights, it genuinly worries me. But so does the bullshit regarding Christmas and Easter, etc., coming under fire due to having religious connotations. This same shit comes from the people who watch Olympics, and are first in line for a cab on St. Patties...
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Religion is the enemy of progress.........

Move along people....there's nothing else to read........
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When I hear about religion playing a role in social issues such as abortion, and gay rights, it genuinly worries me.
Why?
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hmmm...because religion is based on a man made, moraly outdated books.
OT, NT and quran, just to name a few.
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religion is the root of all evil. And will be the death of us all.
If we didnt have it though, atleast we wouldnt have
as many suicide bombers and little boy molesters, LOL
(theres no specific religion noted here so if this offends you,
get over it! Or, you can change your religion )
This offends in other ways than religious intolerance, don't worry.

To ganiel:

Because there's not just one religion in the world, and not all of them agree universally on either issue. Christianity dictates specifics about sin, and I generally don't think it has any more place in government than other mental pathologies. No, I'm not equating religion to a mental disease, but I do not want the Bible as someone's moral guideline when they are deciding the fate of a secular, and a very diverse country.
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religion is the root of all evil. And will be the death of us all.
If we didnt have it though, atleast we wouldnt have
as many suicide bombers and little boy molesters, LOL
(theres no specific religion noted here so if this offends you,
get over it! Or, you can change your religion )
That is complete nonsense. The greatest mass murders of the twentieth century were committed in the name of secular, atheistic ideologies. Anything done in the name of any religion pales in comparison to Stalin, Mao's, Pot's, Castro's, Hitler's atrocities.
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Because there's not just one religion in the world, and not all of them agree universally on either issue. Christianity dictates specifics about sin, and I generally don't think it has any more place in government than other mental pathologies. No, I'm not equating religion to a mental disease, but I do not want the Bible as someone's moral guideline when they are deciding the fate of a secular, and a very diverse country.
What does there not being one religion have to do with whether we elect as our representatives people who share our religious and moral values and have those values inform their decision-making?

Trying to separate law from morality has not worked well in human history. Our nation is founded on the idea that government exists to protect the innate, God given rights of man. A person who violates the rights of another by taking from them their life, liberty, or property is properly punished by the state. Violating those basic God-given rights is not wrong because government says it is but government exists because violating those rights is wrong.

We are not a secular nation, we are in fact an extreme religious nation with a secular government.
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I agree with pretty much everything you said. There is nothing wrong with electing a religious person, there is something wrong when they base their legislature on their religious beliefs.

Morality and religion are not the same, therefore seperation of religion and law doesn't fall under the same ruleset. As for the life, liberty, and property - I think the government has been all too liberal with liberties lately...

As for your last comment, I think you pretty much nailed it.
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Cant sya much more than that....

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I agree that morality and religion are not the same but they are closely related. Most people's sense of morality, what is right and what is wrong, is informed by their religious tradition and beliefs.
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I'm not sure I can properly word any further response. I think we both stated our views at this point, and I understand yours, and hopefully you understand mine. Our difference on the subject is minor.
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I used to equate religion with morality, as a child. I was naive, uninformed, inexperienced.

I am an atheist, but I believe my 'morality' is greater than most everyone I know. I was raised without any religion in the house (aside from the usual pagan holidays). My parents taught me the basics - be kind to, and respectful of, others. Everything else arises from that simple belief.

You don't need religion to learn that, but weekly reminders in church may help. Growing up in a stable environment where 'kindness' is stressed is all that is really needed, in my opinion.

Perhaps, though, I'm just an aberration, and others without religious guidance, may choose to lie, cheat, and steal. I'm using a single example (me) to support a theory (which I hate when people do that).

Thinking out loud, maybe religioius people shouldn't equate religion with morals; when people start questioning their personal religion, the morals associated with it may get tossed as well.
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I used to equate religion with morality, as a child. I was naive, uninformed, inexperienced.

I am an atheist, but I believe my 'morality' is greater than most everyone I know. I was raised without any religion in the house (aside from the usual pagan holidays). My parents taught me the basics - be kind to, and respectful of, others. Everything else arises from that simple belief.

You don't need religion to learn that, but weekly reminders in church may help. Growing up in a stable environment where 'kindness' is stressed is all that is really needed, in my opinion.

Perhaps, though, I'm just an aberration, and others without religious guidance, may choose to lie, cheat, and steal. I'm using a single example (me) to support a theory (which I hate when people do that).

Thinking out loud, maybe religioius people shouldn't equate religion with morals; when people start questioning their personal religion, the morals associated with it may get tossed as well.
And now that you don't you are more naive, less informed, have failed to learn from experience?

Seriously though, individual experiences of atheists are really not useful when discussing an entire society. You may be able to live a moral life without belief in a higher being but the human history is replete with examples of what becomes of a society that rejects the idea that there is a power greater than themselves. Nature abhors a vacuum and when God is removed, something inevitably moves in. Whether that something is the workers, or the nation, or the state, or the race the results have been horrific.
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What is "american religion?"
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