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      04-19-2008, 09:47 PM   #1
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New I-drive interface with refresh

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135531

So now that rumors of the 3er getting the new iDrive in the refresh are surfacing....How long do you guys think it will be before the M3 will see it?
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      04-19-2008, 10:34 PM   #2
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Probably not soon (if it does).

The E92 will get it for 2010.... maybe a mid cycle update for the M3? Hard to know.
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      04-19-2008, 10:36 PM   #3
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I agree as well 2010
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      04-20-2008, 07:25 AM   #4
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New I-drive interface with refresh

wonder if the '09 m3 will get it as well? if so, it is a pity they didn't just debut it with the 08 m3. that would have been sweet.
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      04-20-2008, 07:30 AM   #5
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wonder if the '09 m3 will get it as well? if so, it is a pity they didn't just debut it with the 08 m3. that would have been sweet.
I wouldn't want it in the M3, its a new interface it'll have its issues and I rather them get it resolved in a other car and not my M3, the current Idrive still has issues and thats why it needs constant updates. I'm not anti Idrive, U think its the best interface of all the cars who have similar systems
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      04-20-2008, 07:37 AM   #6
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I am liking it! After driving a loaner 335 with I-Drive, I would hope to see some major improvements. The current system is horrible!
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I hope I don't get flamed for saying this but does it look like BMW are coping everything that Audi come out with, first was their version of awd called X-Drive, then DSG or should I call it M-DCT and now we have a i-Drive that is very similar to Audi MMI.

It's great to see it because after working with Audi's MMI in the S5 it really is a much easier setup to work with.
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      04-20-2008, 09:28 AM   #8
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footie - keep in mind all manufacturers borrow from each other. Audi might not have even built that S5 if it weren't for the E92 (and the CLK to a lesser extent).
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      04-20-2008, 09:31 AM   #9
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I hope I don't get flamed for saying this but does it look like BMW are coping everything that Audi come out with, first was their version of awd called X-Drive, then DSG or should I call it M-DCT and now we have a i-Drive that is very similar to Audi MMI.

It's great to see it because after working with Audi's MMI in the S5 it really is a much easier setup to work with.
First of all let me start by saying that you belong to an Audi forum, still cant figure out what you are doing here.
Now to the point, BMW was the pioneer for the iDrive system (understand the rotating knob) and it has been patented by them. BMW lets Mercedes and Audi use the system for free I am not sure why that is but they probably want to show to haters like you that the system is revolutionary and they are ready to share it with the other leading car builders.
X-drive system is totally different in concept to the Audi quattro and superior handling wise and especially in the dry. Saying why did BMW introduce 4x4 models is like saying why does Audi try and move the engine further back to improve weight distribution since BMW has already achieved 50:50.
And as far as DSG is concerned it is not an entirely new concept because similar systems have been used in some rally cars of the past. Also I am not 100% on this but my dealer tells me DCT is quite different from DSG.
On the innovations front Audi comes a firm third and if my money had to be on it I would probably say the MB is the leader.

p.s. there also rumors circulating in the car world that Audi is going to move to RWD just like Alfa Romeo and Honda are about to do with their premium models....
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      04-20-2008, 10:12 AM   #10
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footie - keep in mind all manufacturers borrow from each other. Audi might not have even built that S5 if it weren't for the E92 (and the CLK to a lesser extent).
yes, definitely, and audi might not have MMI if it were not for the first i-Drive.

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I hope I don't get flamed for saying this but does it look like BMW are coping everything that Audi come out with, first was their version of awd called X-Drive, then DSG or should I call it M-DCT and now we have a i-Drive that is very similar to Audi MMI.

It's great to see it because after working with Audi's MMI in the S5 it really is a much easier setup to work with.
yes also true. there is no denying that bmw got ideas from the MMI for this next generation i-Drive, but that is a good thing because MMI is sweet (as you mentioned).

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First of all let me start by saying that you belong to an Audi forum, still cant figure out what you are doing here.
i don't know how other users feel, but i think it is good to have different perspective. even if he is an audi lover, no reason why he can't belong here too.
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      04-20-2008, 10:38 AM   #11
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The more buttons, the better. The technology that tries to make one button do everything is impractical.
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First of all let me start by saying that you belong to an Audi forum, still cant figure out what you are doing here. Now to the point, BMW was the pioneer for the iDrive system (understand the rotating knob) and it has been patented by them. BMW lets Mercedes and Audi use the system for free I am not sure why that is but they probably want to show to haters like you that the system is revolutionary and they are ready to share it with the other leading car builders.
X-drive system is totally different in concept to the Audi quattro and superior handling wise and especially in the dry. Saying why did BMW introduce 4x4 models is like saying why does Audi try and move the engine further back to improve weight distribution since BMW has already achieved 50:50.
And as far as DSG is concerned it is not an entirely new concept because similar systems have been used in some rally cars of the past. Also I am not 100% on this but my dealer tells me DCT is quite different from DSG.
On the innovations front Audi comes a firm third and if my money had to be on it I would probably say the MB is the leader.

p.s. there also rumors circulating in the car world that Audi is going to move to RWD just like Alfa Romeo and Honda are about to do with their premium models....
First, unless this is suddenly a private forum I don't see what is your issue with anyboby that contributes -not taking anything from- in here, regardless of the car owned.

Second, you sure have a lot of less-than-100%-facts in your "rebuttal" to be in a position to be arguing with anybody.

Third, I like that new iDrive interface.
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      04-20-2008, 10:54 AM   #13
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The more buttons, the better. The technology that tries to make one button do everything is impractical.
+1

Having to go through menus for what should be tied to a button just doesn't make sense... I understand that some of the customization requires menus, but basic functions should always be tied to buttons - especially in a car where doing things by feel (and not taking your eyes off the road) is preferred / safer.

This is why I'm planning to order my car without the tech package... That being said, I may reconsider this decision if the improved iDrive makes it in to the '09 M3's.
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      04-20-2008, 10:54 AM   #14
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I dont know if I would like the new one. I didn't like Audi's interface and usability. Well, I can't make a point without seeing it.
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I know that we don't know too much at this point, but for you tech guys, does this seem like something that might be upgradeable? maybe like a software upgrade and then a new i-Drive controller?

i doubt that we will see it until the 2010 M3. still, it would have been nice if it could have debuted on the M3.

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      04-20-2008, 11:46 AM   #16
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I just want to weigh in as someone who has used I Drive for almost 3 years in my 545 (SMG transmission). I find it to be a very easy to use system and to provide improved safety. Once you've got your car set up you rarely use it for anything other than radio and navigation (which i don't use much). I never have to take my eyes off the road to do make radio adjustments. I have seen so many articles bashing iDrive but these are typically on very short term use scenarios where they are tinkering with the everything constantly. That's just not real world use. That being said, when i first got the car it took me a week or two to understand it. Once i did i preferred it to Hondas of the world. BMW's have always been more gadgetty and when they didn't have iDrive people complained about too many buttons.
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Second, you sure have a lot of less-than-100%-facts in your "rebuttal" to be in a position to be arguing with anybody.
So everything posted on this forum is a fact...please. I am just quoting what my dealer told me, but a lot of the times they are full of s...
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So everything posted on this forum is a fact...please. I am just quoting what my dealer told me, but a lot of the times they are full of s...
What you posted is not quite correct, is what I'm saying...

1) About BMW "letting" other manufacturers use their patented iDrive. A very quick search did not show anything close to that, only that in fact the systems are quite different in application, although the concept is similar.

2) BMW's xDrive is comparable to Quattro, not superior. Again, do a search and see for yourself several magazine comparos for your own conclusion. Now, if you add the new Dynamic Performance Control system (DPC) to the xDrive then we are talking, as it is slightly better implementation than even the Honda's SH-AWD. This implementation is so good that the next Quattro system is said to have rear side to side torque distribution as the SH-AWD and xDrive DPC systems.

3) M-DCT and DSG are the same type of transmission (automated dual clutch). Something tells me that your dealer was somehow thinking that either the DCT or DSG was a SMG-type (automated single clutch) of transmission...
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The new interface looks good: too bad I won't be able to wait another year - likely to '10 - to enjoy it
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What you posted is not quite correct, is what I'm saying...

1) About BMW "letting" other manufacturers use their patented iDrive. A very quick search did not show anything close to that, only that in fact the systems are quite different in application, although the concept is similar.

2) BMW's xDrive is comparable to Quattro, not superior. Again, do a search and see for yourself several magazine comparos for your own conclusion. Now, if you add the new Dynamic Performance Control system (DPC) to the xDrive then we are talking, as it is slightly better implementation than even the Honda's SH-AWD. This implementation is so good that the next Quattro system is said to have rear side to side torque distribution as the SH-AWD and xDrive DPC systems.

3) M-DCT and DSG are the same type of transmission (automated dual clutch). Something tells me that your dealer was somehow thinking that either the DCT or DSG was a SMG-type (automated single clutch) of transmission...



i think all that was originally said was that the integrated controller first came on a bmw, then an audi, so there was no "copying" as the original poster said. which is better is a matter of opinion, but whomever says idrive is hard to use either blindly reads magazine reports or hasnt taken more than 5 minutes to learn how to use their 50 grand plus car.

bmw's x-drive may not be "superior" to audi's, but audi has been using the same system for a few decades, while bmw constantly updates their system. (one of the more recent improvements you mention in your post). audi considers an innovation in their quattro to be changing form 50-50, to 40-60.

mdct and dsg are the same insofar as they both shift gears and use 2 clutches. theyre probably very different mechanically. also, we wont know how good dsg actually is until it gets put on one of the audis that actually deserves it. wierd how for so many years they havent put it on a performance audi.

as for the idrive update, it would be odd if a 328i had a better nav system than the brand new m3. i wonder how they will resolve this discrepancy
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as for the idrive update, it would be odd if a 328i had a better nav system than the brand new m3. i wonder how they will resolve this discrepancy
yeah, which is why they should have just gotten their act together and released it with the m3 and then let it trickle into the refresh of the regular 3.
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wierd how for so many years they havent put it on a performance audi.

as for the idrive update, it would be odd if a 328i had a better nav system than the brand new m3. i wonder how they will resolve this discrepancy
The real difference between BMW DCT and VWAG DSG is the power and torque max ratings that the transmission can handle. The current DSG is simply too wimpy for any engine with over 250 lbs-ft, while DCT is rated for a max of some 450 lbs-ft and 9000 rpm. It is no coincidence that VWAG is working for almost a copy of the DCT max ratings in the next DSG.

About this iDrive update, I don't see why this could not be included in the MY2009 M3, as it is as well a 3 Series chassis and uses the same electronics network and devices as the rest of the line up. So I doubt that there would be a discrepancy, this is not like the X3 or the Z4 electronics network and devices, which are not common with the 3 Series (iBus vs MOST).

Those vehicles will have to wait until the next complete revamping to even see an iDrive of any form or shape.
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