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      04-17-2008, 06:38 PM   #23
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Doesn't surprise me. I just discovered that the dealership charges $200 for an oil change. I couldn't eat enough free danishes to make that seem like a deal for $25 in materials and another $20 in labor.
You realize the oil for these cars is a lot more than $25 right?
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Performance parts: how about a rear diffuser to hide the muffler?

Dipstick: WTF? Only 2 - 3% check their oil? Where do they get those numbers? Does that mean that only 2 - 3% of M3 are true enthusiasts? Maybe there should be an HP drivers license. If you don't check your oil regularly you lose your license and ability to drive the M3!
I would wager I am a true enthusiast but I hate having to mess with crap like the oil dipstick. I don't want to get my hands dirty doing these things, espically not when the computer can track it for me continously.

Automating nuiance tasks like this is a good thing.
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You realize the oil for these cars is a lot more than $25 right?
BMW oil changes are still a rip off but compared to Porsche's price for an oil change they are a relative bargain.
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LC in SMG II M3s was watered down from that of the Euro model. However, in Europe, (and I suppose most other parts of the world) after, I could be wrong on the exact number, thirty launches the transmission had to in for service -- overhaul I think. Because LC was watered down for the US, I do not believe that the 30 launch rule applied -- but then I could be wrong -- I never heard anything definitive one way or the other.
Other threads have claimed that the clutches in the DCT are made to last the life of the car. I beleive that because the DCT is liquid cooled unlike many 6MT transmissions that the use of the launch control isn't as hard on the clutches as in previous transmissions, being that heat is what leads to premature failure of the clutches. I have not yet heard anyone saying the US version launch control is different than the Euro model. In fact Mr Koch said he beleives there is no difference between EU and US launch control.

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Doesn't surprise me. I just discovered that the dealership charges $200 for an oil change. I couldn't eat enough free danishes to make that seem like a deal for $25 in materials and another $20 in labor.
I'll be loading up my cooler with free sodas and bottled water for $200.

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BMW oil changes are still a rip off but compared to Porsche's price for an oil change they are a relative bargain.
Then you won't want to go to a lotus or Ferrari dealer either...
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Thanks Lucid.

I think we need to poke at some M engineers....they are not usually PR trained and will give more direct answers.

For eg. Larry said nothing with the M1 answer.
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Thanks for posting. It's nice to hear confirmation on stuff like "shocks can be tighter than sport in normal."

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1. No dipstick? WTF? With a dipstick you can see a trend in color, level, etc. Without, all you know is oh crap it's out of oil!

2. Who cares about oil change costs, isn't it free for a few years?

3. Every DCT transmission I know enough about to really know has wet clutches, like a motorcycle, allowing them to program in more slip, add cooling and increasing longevity.
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I would wager I am a true enthusiast but I hate having to mess with crap like the oil dipstick. I don't want to get my hands dirty doing these things, espically not when the computer can track it for me continously.

Automating nuiance tasks like this is a good thing.

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