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      04-11-2008, 09:10 PM   #1
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Exclamation Wtf!!! Shell Using Ethanol On Premium

Shell and other gas station are now using up to 10% ethanol on their fuels including premium. A friend of mine told me that chevron is the only brand completely refrained from doing this. This is crazy!!!!
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      04-11-2008, 09:11 PM   #2
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      04-11-2008, 09:14 PM   #3
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I know in Canada Shell used to say they used no ethanol in their premium (V-Power) gas and up to 10% in their standard gas. This is according to some sticker on the pump in the station.
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This is nothing new...
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      04-11-2008, 09:48 PM   #5
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I think every station does this, including chevron, in houston at least. There's a sign saying "may contain up to 10% ethanol:.
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this interesting because just a thread below asked if he should use Shell or 76. of course I advised him 76 since Shell mixes ethanol in their gasoline.
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In my state its a legal requirement from them to use 10% ethanol in all the gas you buy. (This is only part of the year to help reduce pollution). Nothing wrong with running 10%.
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      04-11-2008, 10:11 PM   #8
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your engine can take it
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      04-11-2008, 10:53 PM   #9
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It's 100% safe to use in your car, don't worry.
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      04-11-2008, 11:01 PM   #10
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i am not surprised...so what's the issue here?
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      04-11-2008, 11:09 PM   #11
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i am not surprised...so what's the issue here?
Uneducated people on the issue...
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      04-11-2008, 11:12 PM   #12
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This is nothing new...
+1 been happening for awhile.
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      04-11-2008, 11:54 PM   #13
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Nothing new in Portland both Shell and Chevron use 10% ethanol.
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      04-12-2008, 12:04 AM   #14
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Shell and Chevron have been doing this for a while no?...there's absolutely nothing wrong except a slightly cleaner burning fuel.
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      04-12-2008, 12:09 AM   #15
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I think every station does this, including chevron, in houston at least. There's a sign saying "may contain up to 10% ethanol:.

Thats not good news before I move to Houston. There are still a few stations in Minneapolis that don't do this.
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so, which are the "safe" gas stations?
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http://www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=50&parentid=8#E10

I'm a skeptic until proven otherwise. Bloomberg is an OK source of information, but their focus is economic and of course is capable of being biased. According to this source E10 is used in 46% of the U.S.' fuel. Also, of course direct contact with rubber engine parts w/EtOH would degrade them, but I've yet to hear of a case where E10 fuel has caused major issue except in high performance Marine Boating.

I see your point of view, and you could be right at the end of the day. However, with changing U.S. fuel regulations it may not matter because we might be stuck with E10 fuel for good.
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The shit will rot your engine. Germany says, only 7% is the max that should be used on their cars. Yikes!
First it has nothing to do with the engine at all.. If you use E85 which is 85% ethanol in a none ethanol car the fuel lines will deteriorate over time just like leaving barcardi 151 in a plastic cup. The only modification needed to run E85 is to change out the fuel lines.

Some Mercedes cars/suv come from the factor ready to run E85 similar to Chevy, Ford, GM, Mazda, Nissan.

If 10% was unsafe they would not sell BMWs in my state, since its been the law for quite some time that we have to run 10%.
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Ethanol is just a big scam anyway. Just another facade by big oil to make you think they're being "environmentally friendly" when in-fact ethanol is just as bad (if not worse) a polluter as fossil fuels. And yeah it's bad for rubber parts. They use 10% here every winter to "cut down on emissions". What a joke that is...


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in508006.shtml


"(AP) Factories that convert corn into the gasoline additive ethanol are releasing carbon monoxide, methanol and some carcinogens at levels "many times greater" than they promised, the government says.

In an April 24 letter to the industry's trade group, the Environmental Protection Agency said the problem is common to "most, if not all, ethanol facilities."

Officials in EPA's Chicago office, which oversees nearly half the industry's plants, are planning a meeting with company officials in five states to insist on changes to reduce the emissions.

"So far they've been quite amenable. They're coming in. They're aware of the issues," said Cynthia King, an EPA attorney.

The government's crackdown comes while the ethanol industry presses to significantly expand production as many states phase out another widely used fuel additive, MTBE, because it is polluting water supplies. Last week the Senate passed legislation at the behest of farm groups that would more than double ethanol use by 2010. "




http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=9647424

"A new study from Stanford University suggests that pollution from ethanol could be even worse than from traditional gasoline. Study author Mark Jacobson, of Stanford's department of civil and environmental engineering, explains."


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if this has been going on for a while, I've yet to hear a case of someone's car dying because of the corrosive effects of ethanol on rubber. wouldn't ALL cars with any rubber part touching the fuel suffer from the same thing? then i'd expect some HUGE class action lawsuit against these gasoline companies in which case we would all be compensated.

anyway, ethanol is cheaper...MIGHT be cleaner but unless your engine is a very high compression engine, you're probably not going to be burning it completely resulting in more pollution. also note that ethanol is much less efficient than gasoline so any gains in price or cleanness is offset by increased usage of it to get the same amount of distance. ethanol has an octane rating of like 105 or something.

anyway, I don't see what the deal is if people have been dumping toluene and octane boosters into their tanks... I think if we've been using this for a while in the midwest and such and no major cases have been noticed by the masses then we have nothing to worry about.

sad though that brasil is losing a lot of forest due to corn production needs
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This guy disagrees:

Q. Hi Vincent, I really liked your writing on ethanol, you really know your stuff. I've learned a lot. This is the best introductory write-up I've come across. I am looking into getting a Fiat 126BIS, and running it on ethanol. I hear that ethanol can rot rubber components in engines; gaskets etc. since they are derived from crude oil.

Some refer to it as a sort of "drying out" process. Is this so? Also, does ethanol damage catalysts?

Yours faithfully,
John

A. A 10% blend of ethanol and gasoline will not harm any engine or fuel system component. However, the ethanol has a cleaning effect that will remove rust and other junk from the fuel system. This necessitates frequent fuel filter changes until the fuel system is cleaned out.

No modifications need to be done to allow an engine to run on a 10% blend of ethanol and gasoline. There is, in some areas, an 85% blend of ethanol and gasoline that does require engine modifications.

Actually there is no rubber used in the fuel system. All the fuel lines are made of Neoprene which is impervious to degradation by gasoline or other additives.

Dunno how accurate this is but just found it on google...
http://autorepair.about.com/library/faqs/bl412i.htm
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