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      04-01-2008, 11:33 AM   #1
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Why everyone feels the 6MT as notchy?

I have read repeatedly in this forum that M3 owners complain that the 6MT is notchy. Could someone please describe what is the meaning of notchy. Sorry for asking again. In my particular case, sometimes when I engage 3rd from 2nd I feel a slight bite before engaging the gear fully. Is that notchiness?
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      04-01-2008, 11:39 AM   #2
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i dont understand what "bite" is when we talk trannies hehe

i guess it is just a bit less forgiving so it needs more gas or more clutch to give you a smooth gear change?
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i dont understand what "bite" is when we talk trannies hehe

i guess it is just a bit less forgiving so it needs more gas or more clutch to give you a smooth gear change?
That means i ve to go 4 higher revs ( 2000+) when i accelerate the car from 0 ( 1st gear)?

i used to disengage the clutch at my porsche at about 1.1k revs ( smooth start if you use your left food correct), is this also possible at the m3?

how about starting in the 2nd gear, improves this the comfort or is it just a stupid idea? ( my current car has a 5gear automatic and starts in 2nd gear if you dont knock down the pedal full)
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i dont understand what "bite" is when we talk trannies hehe

i guess it is just a bit less forgiving so it needs more gas or more clutch to give you a smooth gear change?
To describe the "bite" it is an unexpected resistance before engaging the gear fully. It is variable in ocurrence. Not always present.
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      04-01-2008, 01:10 PM   #5
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from the clutch or you feel it in shifter? that's strange, idk, doesnt sound like a pleasant thing to have
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I have read repeatedly in this forum that M3 owners complain that the 6MT is notchy. Could someone please describe what is the meaning of notchy. Sorry for asking again. In my particular case, sometimes when I engage 3rd from 2nd I feel a slight bite before engaging the gear fully. Is that notchiness?
Yes, that's notchiness.

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That means i ve to go 4 higher revs ( 2000+) when i accelerate the car from 0 ( 1st gear)?

i used to disengage the clutch at my porsche at about 1.1k revs ( smooth start if you use your left food correct), is this also possible at the m3?

how about starting in the 2nd gear, improves this the comfort or is it just a stupid idea? ( my current car has a 5gear automatic and starts in 2nd gear if you dont knock down the pedal full)
Don't let mantis confuse you. You can launch the car smoothly at little over 1000 rpm. Starting from second gear is also possible (very cool with the Power button activated ).

Mantis seems to talk about a "biting" clutch, which can't be said about the M3's IMO.


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Another reason that proves the M-DCT is better

With M-DCT none of this $hit would be an issue
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Another reason that proves the M-DCT is better

With M-DCT none of this $hit would be an issue
On the other hand we don't have to know how to 'emergency-release' the parking lock with a screw driver.


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Yes, that's notchiness.


Don't let mantis confuse you. You can launch the car smoothly at little over 1000 rpm. Starting from second gear is also possible (very cool with the Power button activated ).

Mantis seems to talk about a "biting" clutch, which can't be said about the M3's IMO.


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when did i ever talk about "bite"?? i dont even know what "bite" means when we talk 6mt.
how am i confusing him, i only asked a question!!!
btw i havent driven the M3, so why would i be talking about bite and what not?

i dont understand what you are trying to do by putting words in my mouth
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Yes, that's notchiness.


Don't let mantis confuse you. You can launch the car smoothly at little over 1000 rpm. Starting from second gear is also possible (very cool with the Power button activated ).

Mantis seems to talk about a "biting" clutch, which can't be said about the M3's IMO.


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Thank you Southlight. Regarding the notchiness, is it something that we have to worry, does it damage the transmission in any way or we just live with it and no problem?
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letting the car jerk is bad. if using more clutch cures the notchiness it's a cheaper option than letting the car jerk IMO
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when did i ever talk about "bite"?? i dont even know what "bite" means when we talk 6mt.
how am i confusing him, i only asked a question!!!
btw i havent driven the M3, so why would i be talking about bite and what not?

i dont understand what you are trying to do by putting words in my mouth
Why such a hostile emoticon?

Pancho was clearly talking about the shifter and you related it to the clutch. I'm just saying that's wrong and Hammer's response shows how you confused him. Maybe I should have said: "Don't be confused by mantis' wrong assumption." By any chance thin-skinned today?


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Thank you Southlight. Regarding the notchiness, is it something that we have to worry, does it damage the transmission in any way or we just live with it and no problem?
Good question. I hope it's not bad though. BMW must think it's no problem since it's designed that way.


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Why such a hostile emoticon?

Pancho was clearly talking about the shifter and you related it to the clutch. I'm just saying that's wrong and Hammer's response shows how you confused him. Maybe I should have said: "Don't be confused by mantis' wrong assumption." By any chance thin-skinned today?


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lol that's the only emoticon that says read the thread, i didnt make it

no, i never stated or assumed anything i was only asking questions.
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lol that's the only emoticon that says read the thread, i didnt make it

no, i never stated or assumed anything i was only asking questions.
I see, didn't know that questions can start with "I guess."


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I see, didn't know that questions can start with "I guess."


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but it ends with a "?" hahaha
are you becoming like me man? not even read the whole sentence?
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are you becoming like me man? not even read the whole sentence?
OK, that was a good one.

I just realized you're having a hard time on the chat thread. That explains your mood.


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OK, that was a good one.

I just realized you're having a hard time on the chat thread. That explains your mood.


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lol im not why? okay we better get back on topic before the anal post police comes and busts me again. drop by socal chat sometime
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I drove the E92 and did not think it was notchy at all. If you want notchy, try a GT3! I think those that felt it was notchy prolly like the butter soft clutch as well. lol
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^^ i tried depressing the clutch on that thing, oh man!!! that clutch is tough dude. you can get a crazy work out in 5 min of traffic. no kidding
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lol im not why? okay we better get back on topic before the anal post police comes and busts me again. drop by socal chat sometime
'Walking'!? Thanks for the invitation, I'll drop by.

Now back on topic...

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I havn't driven the M-DKT, but yes, the MT6 is a bit notchy and I would probably prefer the M-DKT when it comes down to it. Its fun to shift though is is certainly more challenging!!!
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