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      03-29-2008, 10:49 AM   #67
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I think G8s are great looking cars, Americans are coming around.
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      03-29-2008, 10:58 AM   #68
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My GM product has 18,000 miles on it (in nine months) and has been back to the dealership exactly 0 times. I abuse it mercilessly. Everything works perfect. The fit and finish is, quite frankly, pretty good, although nowhere near as jewel-like as my BMW. It sucks gas like crazy, but so does my 335i (avg 12.5 mpg to date). At least the tax write-off for 6000-plus GWVR offsets the gas cost.

My first BMW was a complete p.o.s. Nevertheless, it was amazing to drive when it worked (which unfortunately it almost never did).

Like others here, I bought my BMW because of how it drives, fully knowing and understanding that it probably would not be a completely reliable car, and fully aware that it was not at all unlikely that it would visit the service department often! It is not a daily driver.

That G8, however, would probably be a helluva nice daily driver. Or maybe that new CTS. Cars that are competent that I'm not likely to be overly obsessive about (like I am with my 335). If my truck gets a few rock chips, F-it, it's a truck. The same mentality would probably apply to domestic sedans, although they're not go-anywhere indestructible like full size trucks are.
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      03-29-2008, 11:05 AM   #69
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      03-29-2008, 11:11 AM   #70
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saw the g8 on the road the other day...not bad at all...i think they did it right with this one
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      03-29-2008, 11:13 AM   #71
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[quote=quagmire;2387458]Actually, GM at least has gone to the 60 deg V6 design. The 2.8(DOHC), 3.5(OHV), 3.6(DOHC), and 3.9(OHV) V6's are 60 degree V6 designs. The only remaining 90 degree V6 at GM is the 3.8 and that is dying within the next 2 years. The OHV V6's are also dying and the 3.6 design will be GM's new workhorse V6.

I know and it's great news. Unfortunately the in-line 6 is a dying breed. It died when most american cars went front wheel drive. Every American manufacturer had straight sixes in the '50s and 60's. It's still a popular design for diesel truck engines. Long live the I-6. My daughter in-law just bought a Volvo XC90. Transversely mounted Straight 6! Neat.
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      03-29-2008, 11:19 AM   #72
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I think G8s are great looking cars, Americans are coming around.
You mean Australian (Holden), surely....







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      03-29-2008, 11:25 AM   #73
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my 335 did 16 mpg.
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      03-29-2008, 11:27 AM   #74
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my 335 did 16 mpg.
thats cuz youre persian and you drive like a maniac

i currently get 18.3 but i was at 16 something at one point
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      03-29-2008, 11:43 AM   #75
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Comparing build qualities, BMW would win hands down.
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      03-29-2008, 11:48 AM   #76
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I think the moral of this thread is don't buy a VW. LOL

My friend has a 1 y.o. Passat 4Motion 3.6. Very nice car, but it has been back to the dealership for brakes, wiper motor, power window motor. Probably they know the real story on the VW forums, but she needed new brake pads at 19k. Went to two dealerships, and after 3 visits, the pads were not in stock. WTF? I have brake pads in stock in my garage for my Nissan, and I'm a DIY. How would a dealership not have pads for a Passat, even after a 2nd trip to them for a scheduled appt.? And please tell me they use synth oil, because my friend paid $98 for an oil change.
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      03-29-2008, 12:28 PM   #77
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GM builds a good solid car now. Some of you should owned BMW's in the '70s and '80s, they were just as bad on "build quality" as GM's back then too. They drove a lot better though.
GM has recently (past few years) gotten their shit together. A few years ago I would have never thought about buying a GM product (except for a HD truck), but after we purchased our 07 Yukon I'm inclined to look at them in the future. The build quality, the workmanship and the reliability are really starting to come up in all their lines. Granted my Yukon was 50 grand, but compared to the competition's offerings I think that is a fair price. I can only imagine they will continue to improve their offerings. BTW is anybody else excited about the new Camaro? That thing looks dope.
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seriously, amerikans and their horsepower ego...a car should be complete...take that pontiak or a mustang to a "real" race trak not some drag strip POS...just take a look at how they make fun of the mustang on this side of the pond

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seriously, amerikans and their horsepower ego...a car should be complete...take that pontiak or a mustang to a "real" race trak not some drag strip POS...just take a look at how they make fun of the mustang on this side of the pond

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      03-29-2008, 12:51 PM   #81
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seriously, amerikans and their horsepower ego...a car should be complete...take that pontiak or a mustang to a "real" race trak not some drag strip POS...just take a look at how they make fun of the mustang on this side of the pond

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proper english is your friend!

also is you C button broken or something?

however I do agree with you about american muscle...its just a straight line blunt instrument...no finess

the z06 is fast..we know..but its nothing special imo
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also is you C button broken or something?

however I do agree with you about american muscle...its just a straight line blunt instrument...no finess

the z06 is fast..we know..but its nothing special imo
it's nothing special?? Have you seen it on a track?? Find something else at 62K or less (yes that's what you can get new one for right now) that comes close to touching in on a straight line or a track...7:42 at the ring..nuff said
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      03-29-2008, 01:01 PM   #83
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It is impressive, with those numbers, but it is funny how BMW can produce equal results with half the displacement and 25% better fuel economy.
Yes, it's just amazing...and only for a measly $20 g's more.
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it's nothing special?? Have you seen it on a track?? Find something else at 62K or less (yes that's what you can get new one for right now) that comes close to touching in on a straight line or a track...7:42 at the ring..nuff said
if im going to talk msrps and not the actually selling price the gtr is better all around


honestly im not phased by the vette...its just ok to me
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it's nothing special?? Have you seen it on a track?? Find something else at 62K or less (yes that's what you can get new one for right now) that comes close to touching in on a straight line or a track...7:42 at the ring..nuff said
The GT-R. But, I agree the Corvette in general is a very respectable track car. Anyone that is ignorant to that fact will be humiliated when they go up against even the regular LS3 'Vette bone stock( don't even think about a modded 'Vette). Then get to the Z06, it will leave you wishing you were in the middle of no where. Don't even think about the ZR1........

Disclaimer: This is taking for granted the drivers are people who know how to drive and the ignorant person is driving a V2 335i.
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but it is funny how BMW can produce equal results with half the displacement and 25% better fuel economy.
Funny how Supras only need 6 cylinders and either only one or two turbos to achieve just about, or over 1000 hp. And the Bugatti Veyron needs 16 cylinders and 4 turbos to achieve 1000 hp hah.
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Funny how Supras only need 6 cylinders and either only one or two turbos to achieve just about, or over 1000 hp. And the Bugatti Veyron needs 16 cylinders and 4 turbos to achieve 1000 hp hah.
dont forget that 1000hp and daily drivable as well ...toyota knew what they were doing with that car
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