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AwesomeM3 · 03-26-2008, 09:12 AM

Does anyone use the BMW Advanced Battery Charging System (part # 82 11 0 026 663)? I used this charger (with cigarette lighter adapter) on my E46 M3 and never had a problem with the power connection. However, on my E92 M3, when I plug it into the cigarette lighter, sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. It seems that when I turn the car off by pressing in the clutch and hitting the Start/Stop button, the car shuts down as well as the power to the cigarette lighter. However, if I turn the car off using only the Start/Stop button and hit it two or three times, the power to the cigarette lighter stays on. Has anyone else had this experience?

Here is the info about the BMW Advanced Battery Charging System # 82 11 0 026 663:

If you park your car for any extended period of time you need this little unit to keep the battery charged. Plug it in and you're all set! 1.25 Amp battery charger designed to fully charge and maintain a battery at a proper storage voltage without the damaging effects caused by trickle chargers. The new BTP micro-chip technology applies the correct peak charge, then automatically maintains the battery at the perfect float voltage which virtually eliminates battery destroying sulfation! Temperature compensation ensures optimal charge voltage even in extreme weather conditions. Powder coated aluminum chassis. Spark Proof! Reverse polarity protection ensures safety. Built in 72 hour timer will protect a marginal battery from over charging.

Technic · 03-26-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AwesomeM3

Does anyone use the BMW Advanced Battery Charging System (part # 82 11 0 026 663)? I used this charger (with cigarette lighter adapter) on my E46 M3 and never had a problem with the power connection. However, on my E92 M3, when I plug it into the cigarette lighter, sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. It seems that when I turn the car off by pressing in the clutch and hitting the Start/Stop button, the car shuts down as well as the power to the cigarette lighter. However, if I turn the car off using only the Start/Stop button and hit it two or three times, the power to the cigarette lighter stays on. Has anyone else had this experience?

Here is the info about the BMW Advanced Battery Charging System # 82 11 0 026 663:

If you park your car for any extended period of time you need this little unit to keep the battery charged. Plug it in and you're all set! 1.25 Amp battery charger designed to fully charge and maintain a battery at a proper storage voltage without the damaging effects caused by trickle chargers. The new BTP micro-chip technology applies the correct peak charge, then automatically maintains the battery at the perfect float voltage which virtually eliminates battery destroying sulfation! Temperature compensation ensures optimal charge voltage even in extreme weather conditions. Powder coated aluminum chassis. Spark Proof! Reverse polarity protection ensures safety. Built in 72 hour timer will protect a marginal battery from over charging.

I used this charger also in my E46 M3 without any issues, but as in your situation it doesn't work with my MKV GTI. My theory is that most probably the lighter jack is controlled by the ECU -thru a relay/switch/module that completely shuts it down and separates it from other circuits for protection- and it is not a direct connection to the battery as in the E46 M3.

In your case I would assume that it is the same issue.

AwesomeM3 · 03-26-2008, 10:44 AM

You could be right. The parts guy at my dealership said the clutch has some kind of switch on it that disables power to the vehicle, including the cigarette lighter. I'm guessing that if I shut the car down using only the Start/Stop button, power to the lighter will remain.

gtb75 · 03-27-2008, 05:55 PM

Looks like a Battery Tender Plus with BMW's name on it... Just get the following and use the included quick-disconnect cable to hardwire it to your battery - lighter problem solved!

MFR link: http://batterytender.com/product_inf...a9659e15f81bcc

Amazon link (good price, free ship): http://www.amazon.com/Deltran-SuperS...6654708&sr=8-1

I use this on my Z06 and have had no issues...

AwesomeM3 · 03-27-2008, 08:14 PM

Right, I think it is a Battery Tender rebranded for BMW. Thanks for the links, but I'd like to keep the charger I have. The power to the cig lighter definitely has something to do with the clutch and Start/Stop button. If I turn the car off using the Start/Stop button, and not the clutch, power to the cig lighter stays on.

Romo1 · 12-21-2009, 09:02 PM

Need to bring this up again. So both my local BMW and parts and service gurus say the BMW Advanced Battery Charging System (part # 82 11 0 026 663) will definitely work with the plug-in adapter to the cigarette lighter on my 09 E92. Well after trying it tonight, nothing but the damn blinking red light. I don't find power to the lighter, wiggling the adapter NG. Is the jury out on this, or can you really only use the ones with the alligator clips to the battery or the other hookups I've seen on this site. If the one with the plug to the lighter is NG, why the hell do the fools at BMW sell this type? The pushing of the start/stop button etc. does not work for me. Anyone have success with this plug-in charger on this model BMW or is this E92 really designed to be cold to the lighter with the power off?

tom @ eas · 12-21-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Romo1

Need to bring this up again. So both my local BMW and parts and service gurus say the BMW Advanced Battery Charging System (part # 82 11 0 026 663) will definitely work with the plug-in adapter to the cigarette lighter on my 09 E92. Well after trying it tonight, nothing but the damn blinking red light. I don't find power to the lighter, wiggling the adapter NG. Is the jury out on this, or can you really only use the ones with the alligator clips to the battery or the other hookups I've seen on this site. If the one with the plug to the lighter is NG, why the hell do the fools at BMW sell this type? The pushing of the start/stop button etc. does not work for me. Anyone have success with this plug-in charger on this model BMW or is this E92 really designed to be cold to the lighter with the power off?

The IBS (Intelligent Battery System) in the e9x applications will prevent this type of charger from being used. You'll need to go directly to the terminals on the battery itself or underneath the hood.

Romo1 · 12-21-2009, 09:10 PM

What a pain in the ass. Why would I want to leave the trunk lid open or the hood or jury rig the damn thing? Another BMW electronic screwup.

calintexas · 12-22-2009, 01:05 AM

I bought a socket to aligator clips adaptor cable a few years ago so that I could use the BMW charger that I bought for my E46 on other cars that I had. I think I got it at Radio Shack, but I may have found it online. It works fine. I've been using it to connect to the jumper connection points under the hood. The charger works as expected this way.

Technic · 12-22-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Romo1

Need to bring this up again. So both my local BMW and parts and service gurus say the BMW Advanced Battery Charging System (part # 82 11 0 026 663) will definitely work with the plug-in adapter to the cigarette lighter on my 09 E92. Well after trying it tonight, nothing but the damn blinking red light. I don't find power to the lighter, wiggling the adapter NG. Is the jury out on this, or can you really only use the ones with the alligator clips to the battery or the other hookups I've seen on this site. If the one with the plug to the lighter is NG, why the hell do the fools at BMW sell this type? The pushing of the start/stop button etc. does not work for me. Anyone have success with this plug-in charger on this model BMW or is this E92 really designed to be cold to the lighter with the power off?

It simply does not work with the 12V jack in the cabin.

My solution was to install a direct 12V OEM socket in the trunk:

AMPowerJ · 12-22-2009, 07:28 AM

Just drive the damn things and then you don't have to worry about it.

///Metak · 12-22-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Technic

It simply does not work with the 12V jack in the cabin.

My solution was to install a direct 12V OEM socket in the trunk:

Best solution yet! To those using the terminals in the engine bay, I read that that is not recomended and you should use the terminals on the battery itself.

darwin316 · 12-22-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ///Metak

Best solution yet! To those using the terminals in the engine bay, I read that that is not recomended and you should use the terminals on the battery itself.

why not?

that connection in the engine bay is good enough to jumpstart the car so why cant it take a battery tender?

AwesomeM3 · 12-22-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by calintexas

I bought a socket to aligator clips adaptor cable a few years ago so that I could use the BMW charger that I bought for my E46 on other cars that I had. I think I got it at Radio Shack, but I may have found it online. It works fine. I've been using it to connect to the jumper connection points under the hood. The charger works as expected this way.

I use the alligator clip adapters too, and connect them to the jumper connection points under the hood.

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Originally Posted by ///Metak

Best solution yet! To those using the terminals in the engine bay, I read that that is not recomended and you should use the terminals on the battery itself.

Are you sure? The M3 Owner's Manual states on page 214 (Charging the battery) "Only charge the battery in the vehicle via the terminals in the engine compartment with the engine off. Connections, refer to Jump starting on page 217."

elp_jc · 12-22-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Romo1

is this E92 really designed to be cold to the lighter with the power off?

Yep. But even if it wasn't, after a few minutes of inactivity, the IBS shuts power completely, so that socket would be useless for a charger anyway.

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Originally Posted by ///Metak

To those using the terminals in the engine bay, I read that that is not recomended and you should use the terminals on the battery itself.

Same thing buddy. Am debating if I should hardwire a BT pigtail to this car. I'd have to add extra cable as it's a long stretch, and cable would be fugly coming from the terminals under the hood. I usually attach the pigtail with the cap's 'tail' around one of the hood grile slats, and it's nearly invisible. But all my other cars have the battery in front, and installation is practically invisible with the hood open. For now will keep opening the hood every time. Good thing is I don't use the car much. Take care.

ersin · 12-22-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Technic

It simply does not work with the 12V jack in the cabin.

My solution was to install a direct 12V OEM socket in the trunk:

Very resourceful. So, I am to assume that this works with the BMW BT?

Thanks and Merry Christmas.

///Metak · 12-22-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elp_jc

Yep. But even if it wasn't, after a few minutes of inactivity, the IBS shuts power completely, so that socket would be useless for a charger anyway.

Same thing buddy. Am debating if I should hardwire a BT pigtail to this car. I'd have to add extra cable as it's a long stretch, and cable would be fugly coming from the terminals under the hood. I usually attach the pigtail with the cap's 'tail' around one of the hood grile slats, and it's nearly invisible. But all my other cars have the battery in front, and installation is practically invisible with the hood open. For now will keep opening the hood every time. Good thing is I don't use the car much. Take care.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AwesomeM3

I use the alligator clip adapters too, and connect them to the jumper connection points under the hood.

Are you sure? The M3 Owner's Manual states on page 214 (Charging the battery) "Only charge the battery in the vehicle via the terminals in the engine compartment with the engine off. Connections, refer to Jump starting on page 217."

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Originally Posted by darwin316

why not?

that connection in the engine bay is good enough to jumpstart the car so why cant it take a battery tender?

I found it. Tom at EAS mentioned it in another thread. He is a pretty damn reliable source IMO, maybe we can have him chime in?

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...86&postcount=8

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Originally Posted by tom @ eas

All e9x vehicles are equipped with an Intelligent Battery Sensor (IBS) on the negative terminal which turns off (as commanded by the DME) within 1-2 hours after engine shutdown.

If you do use the trickle charger, make sure it is directly on the battery terminals (in the trunk) rather than underneath the hood.

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Originally Posted by tom @ eas

We may do a quick tech article on AGM batteries shortly to bring up some points on those storing the cars away in winter.

tom @ eas · 12-23-2009, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ///Metak

I found it. Tom at EAS mentioned it in another thread. He is a pretty damn reliable source IMO, maybe we can have him chime in?

I actually just tested this yesterday, the underhood battery terminals were not affected by IBS and did not cut off.

The interior cigarette lighter is a different story, going the route Technic did with the auxiliary 12V socket is not a bad idea.

elp_jc · 12-23-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tom @ eas

going the route Technic did with the auxiliary 12V socket is not a bad idea.

But you have to open the trunk, so why bother with all that installation if you can just open the hood instead

. I'd like a pigtail somewhere so I don't have to open neither

.

albert1028 · 12-23-2009, 01:18 AM

Isn't this "BMW Advanced Charging System" just a relabeled "battery tender plus" brand battery tender.

Sorry for the large resolution pic, i copied the image link from the manufacturer.

I would bet that BMW would charge more than what the street price on the battery tender plus is going for?

doba_s · 12-23-2009, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtb75

Looks like a Battery Tender Plus with BMW's name on it... Just get the following and use the included quick-disconnect cable to hardwire it to your battery - lighter problem solved!

MFR link: http://batterytender.com/product_inf...a9659e15f81bcc

Amazon link (good price, free ship): http://www.amazon.com/Deltran-SuperS...6654708&sr=8-1

I use this on my Z06 and have had no issues...

Quote:

Originally Posted by albert1028

Isn't this "BMW Advanced Charging System" just a relabeled "battery tender plus" brand battery tender.

Sorry for the large resolution pic, i copied the image link from the manufacturer.

I would bet that BMW would charge more than what the street price on the battery tender plus is going for?

doba_s · 12-23-2009, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technic

It simply does not work with the 12V jack in the cabin.

My solution was to install a direct 12V OEM socket in the trunk:

Elias did you run the power to the socket straight from the battery ?

do you have a part# for the panel ?

03-26-2008, 09:12 AM	#1
AwesomeM3 Major Drives: E92 M3, E70 X5 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,212 iTrader: (0) View AwesomeM3's Garage	BMW Advanced Battery Charging System Does anyone use the BMW Advanced Battery Charging System (part # 82 11 0 026 663)? I used this charger (with cigarette lighter adapter) on my E46 M3 and never had a problem with the power connection. However, on my E92 M3, when I plug it into the cigarette lighter, sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. It seems that when I turn the car off by pressing in the clutch and hitting the Start/Stop button, the car shuts down as well as the power to the cigarette lighter. However, if I turn the car off using only the Start/Stop button and hit it two or three times, the power to the cigarette lighter stays on. Has anyone else had this experience? Here is the info about the BMW Advanced Battery Charging System # 82 11 0 026 663: If you park your car for any extended period of time you need this little unit to keep the battery charged. Plug it in and you're all set! 1.25 Amp battery charger designed to fully charge and maintain a battery at a proper storage voltage without the damaging effects caused by trickle chargers. The new BTP micro-chip technology applies the correct peak charge, then automatically maintains the battery at the perfect float voltage which virtually eliminates battery destroying sulfation! Temperature compensation ensures optimal charge voltage even in extreme weather conditions. Powder coated aluminum chassis. Spark Proof! Reverse polarity protection ensures safety. Built in 72 hour timer will protect a marginal battery from over charging. Attached Images __________________ 2008 E92 M3 Coupe 6MT, Interlagos Blue 2009 E70 X5 xDrive 48i M Sport, Titanium Silver 2001 E46 M3 - Sold \| 1997 E36 M3 - Sold \| BMW CCA member

03-26-2008, 10:44 AM	#3
AwesomeM3 Major Drives: E92 M3, E70 X5 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,212 iTrader: (0) View AwesomeM3's Garage	You could be right. The parts guy at my dealership said the clutch has some kind of switch on it that disables power to the vehicle, including the cigarette lighter. I'm guessing that if I shut the car down using only the Start/Stop button, power to the lighter will remain. __________________ 2008 E92 M3 Coupe 6MT, Interlagos Blue 2009 E70 X5 xDrive 48i M Sport, Titanium Silver 2001 E46 M3 - Sold \| 1997 E36 M3 - Sold \| BMW CCA member

03-27-2008, 05:55 PM	#4
gtb75 Private Drives: 2006 Corvette Z06 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: IL, USA Posts: 97 iTrader: (0)	Looks like a Battery Tender Plus with BMW's name on it... Just get the following and use the included quick-disconnect cable to hardwire it to your battery - lighter problem solved! MFR link: http://batterytender.com/product_inf...a9659e15f81bcc Amazon link (good price, free ship): http://www.amazon.com/Deltran-SuperS...6654708&sr=8-1 I use this on my Z06 and have had no issues... __________________ 2006 Corvette Z06 Black / Ebony - 459RWHP / 438RWTQ 2005 Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Wagon Brilliant Silver / Tweed M5 - 229AWHP / 260AWTQ

03-27-2008, 08:14 PM	#5
AwesomeM3 Major Drives: E92 M3, E70 X5 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,212 iTrader: (0) View AwesomeM3's Garage	Right, I think it is a Battery Tender rebranded for BMW. Thanks for the links, but I'd like to keep the charger I have. The power to the cig lighter definitely has something to do with the clutch and Start/Stop button. If I turn the car off using the Start/Stop button, and not the clutch, power to the cig lighter stays on. __________________ 2008 E92 M3 Coupe 6MT, Interlagos Blue 2009 E70 X5 xDrive 48i M Sport, Titanium Silver 2001 E46 M3 - Sold \| 1997 E36 M3 - Sold \| BMW CCA member

12-21-2009, 09:02 PM	#6
Romo1 Doug Drives: 2009 M3 6 speed Int Blue Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 15 iTrader: (0)	BMW OEM Battery Tender on E92 with comfort access - anyone have luck with the plug-in Need to bring this up again. So both my local BMW and parts and service gurus say the BMW Advanced Battery Charging System (part # 82 11 0 026 663) will definitely work with the plug-in adapter to the cigarette lighter on my 09 E92. Well after trying it tonight, nothing but the damn blinking red light. I don't find power to the lighter, wiggling the adapter NG. Is the jury out on this, or can you really only use the ones with the alligator clips to the battery or the other hookups I've seen on this site. If the one with the plug to the lighter is NG, why the hell do the fools at BMW sell this type? The pushing of the start/stop button etc. does not work for me. Anyone have success with this plug-in charger on this model BMW or is this E92 really designed to be cold to the lighter with the power off?

12-21-2009, 09:10 PM	#8
Romo1 Doug Drives: 2009 M3 6 speed Int Blue Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 15 iTrader: (0)	Battery Tender What a pain in the ass. Why would I want to leave the trunk lid open or the hood or jury rig the damn thing? Another BMW electronic screwup.

12-22-2009, 01:05 AM	#9
calintexas First Lieutenant Drives: 2010 E90 M3 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: North Texas Posts: 369 iTrader: (0)	I Bought an Adaptor I bought a socket to aligator clips adaptor cable a few years ago so that I could use the BMW charger that I bought for my E46 on other cars that I had. I think I got it at Radio Shack, but I may have found it online. It works fine. I've been using it to connect to the jumper connection points under the hood. The charger works as expected this way. Attached Images __________________

12-22-2009, 07:28 AM	#11
AMPowerJ One mod leads to another ... Drives: 2009 E90 M3 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 667 iTrader: (0)	Just drive the damn things and then you don't have to worry about it. __________________ Ashley (Guy not girl ) 2009 E90 M3 - LeMans Blue - Speed Cloth - 6 spd ... with iBright v3.0 Angel Eyes, Painted Reflectors, Gloss/Matt Black Kidney Grills, 12/12mm Rogue Spacers, BMW Performance Pedals, Dinan Springs, APE Filter, Gintani Sport Exhaust

12-23-2009, 01:18 AM	#20
albert1028 First Lieutenant Drives: 2009 E90 Space Gray M3 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 312 iTrader: (0)	Isn't this "BMW Advanced Charging System" just a relabeled "battery tender plus" brand battery tender. Sorry for the large resolution pic, i copied the image link from the manufacturer. I would bet that BMW would charge more than what the street price on the battery tender plus is going for?