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View Poll Results: Which car would owned who? new M3 or IS-F
4.0 liter V8 414 HP 295 lb-ft torque BMW e90/92 M3 250 72.46%
5.0-liter V8 416 HP 371 lb-ft torque Lexus IS-F 46 13.33%
Just the same- depends on the driver 49 14.20%
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      04-30-2008, 12:56 AM   #155
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The truth of the matters is, most of the people on this board do not routinely drive their cars in the way that are tested in the magazines. Yes, the IS-F takes last place in a lot of comparison tests; but to see that as a negative is like saying that taking 4th place in the World Olympics is not an accomplishment.

I think it is a very, very good car, and an excellent effort from a company that's never really built a car like this since the Supra.

Truth be told, it's all subjective.
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      04-30-2008, 10:02 AM   #156
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The truth of the matters is, most of the people on this board do not routinely drive their cars in the way that are tested in the magazines. Yes, the IS-F takes last place in a lot of comparison tests; but to see that as a negative is like saying that taking 4th place in the World Olympics is not an accomplishment.

I think it is a very, very good car, and an excellent effort from a company that's never really built a car like this since the Supra.

Truth be told, it's all subjective.
Excellent point of view. It's like if you have a competition between Jordan, Bird, Magic, and Barkley, even if you end up last it's still not bad considering the competition. And right now the M3 is Michael Jordan. To be more current, it's between Kobe, LeBron, Carmelo, and Wade.
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      04-30-2008, 02:31 PM   #157
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4th place in the Olympics means going home without a medal - all that work just to fail!
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      04-30-2008, 05:31 PM   #158
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I was surprisingly given a surprise test drive, by Lindsey Lexus of Alexandria,
of an IS-F today

With the price difference of 9k and specs of 5.0-liter V8 416 hp and 371 lb-ft torque and 8-Speed Sport Direct-Shifter makes me think.

I guess they wanted to make m a IS-F believer.

But I Really Really test drove this IS-F match harder than the /M, and the CA even did donuts and we left a large of smoke clouds behind w/c make me sick to me stomach plus the smell of burn tires. Im starting to question my loyalty


Which car do you think will take who ? our very beloved new M3 or IS-F
I don't think you should, I drove the M3 for 1 hour, the ISF 4 laps on the Moroso track, I think the M3 is a better road course car, handles better, has a better road feel and is just as fast or faster.

No annoying nose dive from high speeds and feels quicker off the line, not sure on a roll though, that would have to be determined with an actual pull.


But for me I'd buy the M3 over the ISF, not that the ISF is a bad car the M3 is just better.
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      04-30-2008, 10:40 PM   #159
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I just wish I can take home the following car for a 24 hr test drive

e92 M3, C63 AMG, ISF, RS4, and a used 06 Carrera S

Im not greedy

I linger around the C63 AMG at times, but the Gas Tax at $2600, gas mileage and AMG's worst depreciation record just does not feel right. ex. I was offered a used certified 07 CLK 63 AMG cabrio w/ 2600 miles for around $64k. Its a $95k MSRP car last year.
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      04-30-2008, 10:44 PM   #160
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$295, not bad if you get 2+ hours on the track. However, I doubt the many laps equals 2 hours of lapping. I'm sure the 4.5 hour day includes a lot of classroom time and demos. I'd love to spend two hours on the track using up someone elses tires, but it's not likely going to be that much.

If BMW was sponsoring this event they'd have competitors there to compare to their car.
no its not bad, Im leaning twds getting the paid event too, things you learn there can be applied to any cars unlike some folks think that it works on a Lexus car <grin>

I enjoy burning someone elses tires and clutches too <grin>
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      04-30-2008, 11:15 PM   #161
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better gas mileage, no gas guzzler tax, better reliability... I say not bad at all


better gas milage? huh? in the RandT test the M3 got better real world gas mileage - just the facts.
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      04-30-2008, 11:27 PM   #162
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better gas milage? huh? in the RandT test the M3 got better real world gas milage - just the facts.
The fact is the ISF does not have gas-guzzler tax and its EPA ratings are 24mpg highway. Granted it is not real world mileage like you said. But it think the high revving nature of the M3 is what hurts it, but at the same time most of us would prefer it, after all it is a high performance car, we're not buying this car for the gas mileage. When your buying a car that does 0-60 in 4.1 and 1/4 mile in 12 seconds, you shouldn't care about the gas mileage.
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      05-01-2008, 04:28 AM   #163
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better gas milage? huh? in the RandT test the M3 got better real world gas mileage - just the facts.
I'm getting 18 MPG around town in my IS-F....that's not bad at all. I'm very interested to see what the bimmer will do.
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I'm getting 18 MPG around town in my IS-F....that's not bad at all. I'm very interested to see what the bimmer will do.
YOU HAVE AN ISF!

your sig. says 335i and you have an M3 on order, whats the scoop Lexus Mole! ?
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whats the scoop Lexus Mole! ?
LOL - wouldnt be the first!!!
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Warning! Warning! Warning! We have been inflitrated



I am glad to see by the almost 73% vote for the M3 that the large majority of people understand that its the complete package that counts. handling, stopping, steering, LSD, 8 individual throttle bodies, etc, that makes the car.

not only the straight line acceleration in a 1/4 mile on a flat surface.
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      05-04-2008, 11:05 PM   #168
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I'm sure the ISF is a nice car.....but no thanks...... Since I fully intend to track my M3....and by track I mean road course, with the occasional drag strip.... So I want the balance of the M3....
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      05-04-2008, 11:30 PM   #169
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I'm sure the ISF is a nice car.....but no thanks...... Since I fully intend to track my M3....and by track I mean road course, with the occasional drag strip.... So I want the balance of the M3....

x2.

although I'll likely skip the drags and keep it to the road courses. hey maybe I'll see ya at Buttonwillow sometime?
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Thnks to saym3, ggb and the rest of the good crowd here that I resisted the ISF and C63 AMG temptation.
I got my Prod# started today 15 May, thks to Asad@Fairfax BMW.
takes about a week to produced and then the long agony of a 5-6 PDC transport wait, which I dont really mind
they can take as much time as they want now. for I know my already a e92 M3 owner now

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Congrats! Sleepless nights have now officially started for you.
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Thnks to saym3, ggb and the rest of the good crowd here that I resisted the ISF and C63 AMG temptation.
I got my Prod# started today 15 May, thks to Asad@Fairfax BMW.
takes about a week to produced and then the long agony of a 5-6 PDC transport wait, which I dont really mind
they can take as much time as they want now. for I know my already a e92 M3 owner now

congrats and you made the right decision. mine was built too, May 6 and is at the port waiting for the next ship. check out the May production roll call thread.
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The IS-F and the F versions will be a force to reckon with in the future, of this there is little doubt. Toyota are atfer all the richest/biggest car manufacturer in the world which does have the deep pockets to make the best car in the respective classes, all that is required is the will to make it so.
Like Toyota is wining all the F1 races they said they would when they started in the game.......... I clearly remember the statment "that they would be runing for the championship within 5 years". - Try wining a single race first....

They opened a new research center etc. when they started but now in the 8th season they stil have to win one single race. The best they did was the 2005 season and after that it has just been down.

I know that BMW is not wining it all but they have not been spending the same amount of money as Toyota. I do however believe BMW is spending more and more on F1 -- and they are now place 2nd in the constructors championship.

Want I am saying is that fortunately you can't buy success. It takes more than that. Of course money is important but it is not enough.
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The ISF has a Camry clock!
There's one reason not to buy the car.
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The IS-F is really ugly, in my opinion.
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We're not talking about which car has a "true motorsports" engine, whatever that means. We're talking about how you're bashing the ISF because it's a Toyota. And you did say that you like BMW because of it's engineering and how their engineers take the Autobahn and the Japanese engineers take the train. Which means to you that the BMW engineers are much better because they don't take the train like the Japanese engineers. Do you realize how retarded that really sounds. You're actually making a comparison and conclusion that the BMW engineers are better because they don't take the train, they take the Autobahn. How old are you? 19 or 16? And just to remind you, Toyota has built several high performance cars in the past. The last Supra Turbo, which was 13yrs ago, is as quick as some of the current sports cars today. It was capable of mid 4's to 60 and high 12's to 1/4 mile.
Regardless of how good the IS-F may or may not be, it is still a substitute product targeted at the BMW M3; someone who chooses the ISF over M3 will probably do so to save the $9k; I really doubt anyone will choose the ISF over the M3 because it is better than the M3 in any way. Lexus has come close, but so have many other manufacturers who have taken aim at the M3 for many years now. The fact is, that the M3 remains the King of its class, and to my knowledge, has not yet been toppled by the competition.

Personally, I drove the ISF, at Lindsay Lexus just like the OP. I thought it was an amazing car, until I drove the M3. Now that I have driven the M3 hard and on very challenging asphalt, it is my opinion that the M3 is a far superior performance coupe than the ISF.

Remember, the M3 chasis and engine is actually used to compete in professional motorsports; this is a fact and a true testament to the performance capability of the "m3 package"; we are talking about competitive racecars who use the actual m3 chassis and engine (less crank).

How many GT class racecars do you know of that use an ISF chassis? Engine?

Lexus ISF is a nice car and makes a great Gran Tourer. The M3 is in a different class.
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