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      03-20-2008, 01:34 PM   #89
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Because of the similar price, some people 'might' be cross-shopping like the OP. However, GT-R is too hard to get because of the limited supply and dealers still don't know how many allocations they'll get. I would bet that even with the markup of +$10k, GT-R will be hard to get soon.

I want both GT-R and M3 and can't decide. M3 for it's well-balanced, thrill to drive, and it's awesome high-rev engine. GT-R for it's baby-bugatti like performance.

I think both cars are awesome and can't go wrong with either.

BTW, does anyone know the average MPG GT-R gets?
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"BTW, does anyone know the average MPG GT-R gets?"


Road and track got an "our average" of 17.5 mpg in their latest test against the ZO6 and 911TT. All three got similar gas mileage. I'm not sure if that included 0-60 runs or what...

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Road and track got an "our average" in their latest test against the ZO6 and 911TT. All three got similar gas mileage. I'm not sure if that included 0-60 runs or what...
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I doubt anyone here envies you. If anything, people here pity you for utter lack of humbleness, even if you were the smartest than just about any one on this forum. Bold claim, I must say, especially considering you are talking to a sea of engineers. Doctors I've met and have in family (brother) rarely boast about their achievements. I heard it has to deal with confidence. People who know their self-worth rarely have to show it, most of the time it shows itself.

If you really want to split hairs, dental school has never been the epitome of intelligence, much less hard work. I would argue that medical school requires most hours and persistent hard work to finish, while post-graduate studies in science/engineering require most abstract/spatial thinking and conceptualization that are often associated with high intelligence. Granted, intelligence has never been bound by education, but it is safe to say that on average this is pretty reasonable distribution.



Forum has built-in spell checker. If you plan on calling yourself intelligent, at least put an effort to spell it correctly. It's the least you can do.
As a fellow dentist, I will have to speak up on this one. I have always graduated in the top of my class, whether it be college or whatever. I graduated from college Phi Beta Kappa with near perfect grades with two majors, microbiology and biology. I was accepted into several medical schools, and I got into the only dental school that I applied. I am a practicing specialist in the field of dentistry, and I make well into the six figures. I chose dentistry because of the lifestyle. While in school, many of the friends that I made are now physicians. I will tell you that dental school is much more difficult to complete with good grades than medical school (notice I said good grades....I will agree that just doing the minimum amount of work, it is not too difficult to complete). Residency for physicians is certainly difficult and time consuming. They make a considerable living. One of my best friends is a radiologist who makes a bit more than than me and he works considerably less, so I can attest that it is a great field. Honestly, if I had to do it all over again, I would have gone to medical school and become a radiologist. That's another point altogether.... Personally, I think its a bit childish to point fingers and say that this person is less intelligent because he is this or that. What are we in...the first grade? This is a forum about cars, not finance. Putting a cap on potential income is plain stupid and pointless. I know a dentist that owns 5 practices and pulls in almost 8 figures. He is a shrewd businessman and he isn't alone in that regards in my field. Anyone can make a lot of money. It's just about vision and plain old business sense. I don't care what your profession is or isn't.
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I make well into the 7 digits, but in pesos!!! Hahahaha!!!! Anyway, who cares who makes what!!! Lets get back to cars and what we all share, a passion for BMW!!! Cheers!!!
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"...the highest average pay..."

Your GPA is what again?

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I went from M3 to GT-R and then back to the M3... Here was my logic for coming back to the M3:
  • The sound of the M3's amazing V8 screaming all the way to 8,400rpm - better than a V6 any day in my book!
  • As much as AWD traction is nice to have, it won't allow you to "have fun" the way RWD will.
  • And finally, the biggest issue for me... I want a "normal" manual transmission - not DSG, DTC, etc.
  • Lousy prior experience with Nissan dealers (owned a 2002 Maxima SE before my Subaru).
While I understand the GT-R is undoubtedly the better performing of the two, there's more to driving (for me) than absolute speed... The GT-R is an amazing machine, but it lacks the emotion of the M3 in my book.
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Wow, BMW335icDDS, you have some serious personal issues.....Sad really...I hope you sort yourself out a bit as you mature...
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Haha, this is funny. And if you haven't noticed, dentists and doctors have the highest average pay in the USA.
I dispute that: in my view it would be hedge fund managers; it's just that the data are harder to access - but you can see some summary data in "Alpha" mag.
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Here I will be the only one with a short post.

M3 Manual Transmission. I have a buddy who races for Nissan and has a GTR and it's not that cool, its all hyped up because of Fast and the Furious. Do you want a sick car with a bunch of cheap plastic inside? Every car company basis their sport car off the M3. It's the icon of performance road cars. And the skyline is ugly as hell.
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Come on this is old news we all know the stock BMW M3 is not that fast compared to the new kids on the block. AND alright we know the M3 is heavy too we know that. I am tired of people who are in denial trying to say that the M3 is the best car in the world and better than the skyline GTR. well guess what it's not better track wise or street too. It's all about personal preference. Sometimes i wonder how materialistic this country has become on certain things... and to prove that their car is better than all the rest like it defines you in a social class. Just like BMWPRINCE who thought the new M3 lacked power at high speeds. Seriously, people need to stop with saying the m3 is the best and blah blah blah. ANd especially on the POntiac G8! Give everyone a chance open your mind and views shit.
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Saw my first GTR in the street this week. Gagged - just not my cup of tea.
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So my question is the GTR sooo much better than the M3? Or is it a matter of preference? I mean if not actually racing will the M3 be as fun? Will the M3 be more luxurious or better built?
The GT-R is much faster than the M3 but they are very different cars from a dynamic standpoint.

You want to buy one of the fastest track cars so you can do the occasional highway pull? If you never go to the track, the performance advantage of the GT-R is a waist and that's the whole appeal of the car. With the GT-R, you're going to have to live with its super stiff track tuned suspension. I've heard people say that the GT-R has the stiffest suspension they had ever experienced in a road car. The GT-R was designed for the race track first, and everything else second. Of course, if you've been commuting in a S2k for the last 6 years, you're used to lack of creature comforts.

The M3 is far from perfect but I think it makes more sense coming from a S2000. The M3's V8 is just a more grown up version of the S2k's I4. Both will rev to the moon but the M3's much larger and flatter torque curve is going to make regular driving a lot more enjoyable.

To be honest, I think you should get a S5. It's AWD, very fast, more comfortable and better looking than both the M3 and GT-R. Plus, you can now get that car with a DSG transmission. The GT-R and even M3 are too hardcore for what you're looking for. Don't take that as an insult. If you went to the track on occasion, I would say get the M3. If you went to the track all the time, I would recommend the GT-R. For a track free lifestyle, I think the S5 is your car. Of course this my opinion on the matter. I just don't see the point of high performance cars if all you do is drive them in traffic. Go check out the S5 at your Audi dealer. You have nothing to lose. Good luck.
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Saw 2 white GTRs last night. They look better in person i'd say, although it's badged way too much. It's a big car though, much bigger than I thought. Interior isn't too bad, engine bay looks like it's a nightmare to work on. The spoiler/wing at the rear looks horrid if you ask me, but the exhaust pipes are nice We'll see.
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The GT-R is much faster than the M3 but they are very different cars from a dynamic standpoint.

You want to buy one of the fastest track cars so you can do the occasional highway pull? If you never go to the track, the performance advantage of the GT-R is a waist and that's the whole appeal of the car. With the GT-R, you're going to have to live with its super stiff track tuned suspension. I've heard people say that the GT-R has the stiffest suspension they had ever experienced in a road car. The GT-R was designed for the race track first, and everything else second. Of course, if you've been commuting in a S2k for the last 6 years, you're used to lack of creature comforts.

The M3 is far from perfect but I think it makes more sense coming from a S2000. The M3's V8 is just a more grown up version of the S2k's I4. Both will rev to the moon but the M3's much larger and flatter torque curve is going to make regular driving a lot more enjoyable.

To be honest, I think you should get a S5. It's AWD, very fast, more comfortable and better looking than both the M3 and GT-R. Plus, you can now get that car with a DSG transmission. The GT-R and even M3 are too hardcore for what you're looking for. Don't take that as an insult. If you went to the track on occasion, I would say get the M3. If you went to the track all the time, I would recommend the GT-R. For a track free lifestyle, I think the S5 is your car. Of course this my opinion on the matter. I just don't see the point of high performance cars if all you do is drive them in traffic. Go check out the S5 at your Audi dealer. You have nothing to lose. Good luck.
Rai already bought his DCT M3 a month or two ago.
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      07-26-2008, 07:38 PM   #105
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You gagged?

My, how....um, "sensitive".

You the guy just recovering from a long convalescence after seeing his first Aztec?

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I can understand the envy I get. I am smarter than just about any one on this forum. My girl is a doctor, I have better cars, and are just plain better than most of the immature idiots on this forum. Hey, its a fact, I accept it probably sucks to be you. Calling me a loser is hilarious, because I'm better than you. Lets just put this nicely in perspective. Comparing me to most of you is like comparing the performance of the GT-R to the M3. I'm simply out of your league.

Flame on, losers. No matter what you've got to say, it doesn't change the fact that I'm a harder working, more inteligent person who will only continue to succeed and live a great happy life. I've said all I needed to say.
I refuse to believe this guy is for real. No one is really this arrogant.

This has to be someone playing a joke.
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Its an easy choice. Its like choosing between a Rolex and Casio at the same price - yes they are both fine time pieces but one is the real deal and the other a cheap copy. A Nissan is just a Nissan even with a stolen name like the GTR.
you read my mind.
Nissan is Japanese... Dont buy Japanese cars. Go for the true german power, eventhou its performance is less than the GTR, dont bother.
People with see you in a BMW, and not a NISSAN
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the arguments earlier were pure hilarity.

As for the GTR, it turns heads, if you know what the heck it is. Most people don't even know what the heck that was that just flew by them. And at the end of the day its still a Nismo.

I'll have to agree, the sound of the V-8 is just addicting to the revv. You just want to hear it all day,. and let me tell you. It turns heads like no other.


I would also like to add that if you want the use of a track car with comfort how can you resist the ///M..?

Is the GTR even comfy... to cruise in? or is pure track buckets?
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I know there are threads about the GTR v M3. But I am more asking for advice as it relates to me and my situation.

I am looking at the M3 with many options say it's $71K plus tax. I can trim off maybe $3K say a low price ~$68K plus tax. Mainly it's up for me do decide if I should get the M-DCT or the 6MT

I have shopped for the GTR and a few dealers wanted $95K (ish) but I have one that's willing to go +$5K over msrp so that's around $77K (ish).

I know there are people that won't pay over msrp but leave that aside just look at the results $71K M3 (with DCT) v $77K GTR

The GTR includes everything that is optional on the M3 such as navi, active shocks, premium sound, bluetooth, DCT etc..

So I look at the price difference just ~ $7K or $8K more for a GTR.

For which the GTR has more power/speed, AWD, more rare, maybe more street cred (?).

what am I looking for?

I like speed/power and I like to have a car that's somewhat looked at as status but not too much (I mean not like an Aston) although that's not to say I don't like Aston/Ferrari etc.. but I don't want the image of being rich-ie rich so a middle car around $75K +/- is what I am looking for.

I don't race on the street or on the track. I like quick and feeling of power but it's for my own enjoyment. In other words if I get a GTR I'm not going to looking for Z06s or Ford GTs to test it against. If I do go fast it's just for what I am feeling of accleleration and maybe a M3 feels quick (in isolation) I mean it's not like I'll feel bad knowing I don't have a car that can run door to door with a Z06.

I mean when I'm driving, if I want to dust off a car, I like some power just to go. But I don't mean I'm looking for the fastest car in the world. Specifically I have lived with a S2000 for almost 6 years. I would like some more pep than it has but I didn't upgrade to a Z06 for example b/c that aspect is not my main concern.

While I like the awd of the GTR, I think that' my biggest area of what I may like it's not like I am only looking for an awd car. I have other cars to drive in the snow so the awd would mainly be a tool to make the GTR more east to drive (more secure), but I don't think awd is magic like I know if you go past the limits with either car you can go off road.

I don't really push 9/10th any way. I mean even with my S2000, I don't drive as fast as the car is able. So it's just I like brisk back-roads and some quick accelerations but not racing.

Why you may ask don't I save so much and just get a 335i or such? Well I am a car nut. I always want the higher cars but have not got one yet. I am always too cheap. This time I want to go long and I don't plan to buy a lot of fancy cars in my life. I mean perhapse the M3 or GTR would be my best car ever. So I don't want to cheap out time after time.

So my question is the GTR sooo much better than the M3? Or is it a matter of preference? I mean if not actually racing will the M3 be as fun? Will the M3 be more luxurious or better built?

Do people think only one way or can you see being torn trying to decide if the price difference is less than $10K.

thanks.
I was in your exact situation. I got allocation for both cars and the dealers where pushing for a decision. After a lot of research and seeing both cars in person (I went to asia), I wame up with the followings. I compared both cars in the following aspects:
  1. On paper: The GTR wins period. It has got a ton more horsepower to play with. Yes, it has a heavier body, but the sheer umph of the turbo charged engine can hide its extra weight with ease. If its 0-60 times you are looking for, this is your buy. Take out your check book and don't read on.
  2. Trackdays: I know that you don't take your cars to the track, but what people finds in track tests can reflect deeply on how the car will handle during your weekend road slicing episodes. The GTR wins flatout once again. A veryon beating 7:38 lap on the Nurburgring can send the M3 back to its garrage. The raw grunt of that V6 with its blowers pulls the chubby car out of corners withou even trying hard. And there is the never yielding traction of the AWD; it simply removes all the bends in a track. The computer (the most powerful in any production car) will send power to wherever the grip is. If you can drive on your xbox, you can throw the GTR around with the same ease. The M3, on the other hand, requires much more talent to tame. If there is a single let down while cornering with the R35 is its tendency to plow on higher speed turns. But there is nothing a generous step on the throttle can't cure.
  3. On the road: Despite its outstand performance on the track, the GTR is a much more civilized car on the road than the M3. Unlike the M3 which constantly reminds you that you are in a sports car, the GTR soaks up the imperfections on the surface of the roads and lets you relax. Both cars have enough horses packed under the hood to rocket you pass the mini-van on a two lane road through the smallest of gaps. But with that much more power, the GTR gives you that much more confidence. Another one for the GTR.
  4. Trim: The interior of both rides is by no means shabby. It's what you'd expect at this price range. The bimmer comes with the iDrive to give a cleaner interior with less buttons; however, if you are a big fan of hi-tech gizmos, the GTR will quench your thirst more. It is at best a tie in this aspect if the extra gadgets in the Nissan doesn't get your vote.
  5. Bling: If it's exclusivity you are after, think carefully. It only depends on where you are. In the US, the GTR rules, but it's another story in Asia. GTRs are omnipresent. An M3 on the other hand will summon much more attension.

Wow, the GTR trumphs over the M3 in almost all area. So, guess which dealer I wrote my check to? Yes! I got the M3 in white. And no, I'm not insane. I'm simply after different qualtities.

What closed the deal was driver involvement. Like you, I have other cars that I can use everyday or in the snow. The M3 is purely a fun car for me. Compared to the GTR, the steering is much more direct and communicative. The high reving V8 also gets my heart. You need to constantly fiddle with the gears to find where the torque is. And this certainly an equation for euphoria.

Journalists' claims of the GTR driving itself around corners is perhaps an exaggeration, but handling the M3 does require much more attension. The Nissan is like a housewife; you'll have the confidence that she'll do what needs to do to get things done: grocerys, get the kids, and laundary - business as usual. She gets the job don't without you worrying about anything. The Bimmer, on the other hand, is a difficult bitch who would turn around and slap you on the face as soon as she senses any lack of attension from you. It is by no means as crude and raw as a Lotus or Aerial Atom, but if you want performance, you need to earn it. Work hard enough and you will be rewarded with the feeling of in complete control. This feeling is precisely what driving enthusists - me included - wants.

Okay, I've picked the M3; the easy part is over. Now the hard part: be faithful to the 6 speed manual or be tempted by the blistering quick up-shifts od the MDCT.
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