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      03-05-2008, 11:51 AM   #1
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Contribute to the Constitution Party

I just made my first contribution to the Constitution Party.

I have long talked about the need for a third party. Now I am putting my money where my mouth is. Though I know little about this new party, what I have seen appears to represent the best of American ideals. These ideals are not found in the presidential candidates in either the Republican or Democrat parties in 2008.

The alternative vote is for the Constitution Party.
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Seems like the Christian Libertarian party

Same IP as the 'ronpaul' site?
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Here are some statements from their platform.


Sanctity of Life

The pre-born child, whose life begins at fertilization, is a human being created in God's image. The first duty of the law is to prevent the shedding of innocent blood. It is, therefore, the duty of all civil governments to secure and to safeguard the lives of the pre-born.

AIDS

HIV / AIDS is a contagious disease which is dangerous to public health. It should not be treated as a civil rights issue. Under no circumstances should the federal government continue to subsidize activities which have the effect of encouraging perverted or promiscuous sexual conduct. Criminal penalties should apply to those whose willful acts of omission or commission place members of the public at risk of contracting HIV / AIDS.


Education

All teaching is related to basic assumptions about God and man. Education as a whole, therefore, cannot be separated from religious faith. The law of our Creator assigns the authority and responsibility of educating children to their parents. Education should be free from all federal government subsidies, including vouchers, tax incentives, and loans, except with respect to veterans.

Because the federal government has absolutely no jurisdiction concerning the education of our children, the United States Department of Education should be abolished; all federal legislation related to education should be repealed. No federal laws subsidizing or regulating the education of children should be enacted. Under no circumstances should the federal government be involved in national teacher certification, educational curricula, textbook selection, learning standards, comprehensive sex education, psychological and psychiatric research testing programs, and personnel.

Because control over education is now being relegated to departments other than the Department of Education, we clarify that no federal agency, department, board, or other entity may exercise jurisdiction over any aspect of children's upbringing. Education, training, and discipline of children are properly placed in the domain of their parents.

We support the unimpeded right of parents to provide for the education of their children in the manner they deem best, including home, private or religious. We oppose all legislation from any level of government that would interfere with or restrict that liberty. We support equitable tax relief for families whose children do not attend government schools.

So that parents need not defy the law by refusing to send their children to schools of which they disapprove, compulsory attendance laws should be repealed.



Family

The law of our Creator defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman. The marriage covenant is the foundation of the family, and the family is fundamental in the maintenance of a stable, healthy and prosperous social order. No government may legitimately authorize or define marriage or family relations contrary to what God has instituted. We are opposed to amending the U.S. Constitution for the purpose of defining marriage.

We reject the notion that sexual offenders are deserving of legal favor or special protection, and affirm the rights of states and localities to proscribe offensive sexual behavior. We oppose all efforts to impose a new sexual legal order through the federal court system. We stand against so-called "sexual orientation" and "hate crime" statutes that attempt to legitimize inappropriate sexual behavior and to stifle public resistance to its expression. We oppose government funding of "partner" benefits for unmarried individuals. Finally, we oppose any legal recognition of homosexual unions.

We recognize that parents have the fundamental right and responsibility to nurture, educate, and discipline their children. We oppose the assumption of any of these responsibilities by any governmental agency without the express delegation of the parents or legal due process. We affirm the value of the father and the mother in the home, and we oppose efforts to legalize adoption of children by homosexual singles or couples.

We affirm both the authority and duty of Congress to limit the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court in all cases of state sodomy laws in accordance with the U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 2.
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Recently I went through the Constitution Party platform to get a better idea of whether I can support them in the upcoming elections. Here is what I noted on the platform topics:

Constitution Party Mission Statement

The mission of the Constitution Party is to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity through the election, at all levels of government, of Constitution Party candidates who will uphold the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. It is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions and to restore American jurisprudence to its original Biblical common-law foundations.

Constitution Party National Platform

These are areas where I agree with the platform more than I disagree:

Sanctity of Life
AIDS
Bring Government Back Home
Character and Moral Conduct
Congressional Reform
Conscription
Constitutional Convention
Copyrights and Patents
Domestic Federal Aid
Drug Abuse
Family
The Judiciary
Personal and Private Property Security
Religious Freedom
Social Security
Statehood
Veterans
Welfare

These are areas of the platform where I partially agree/disagree or need more information:

Cost of Big Government
Crime
Education
Electoral College
Energy
Environment
Executive Orders
Gambling
Gun Control
Health Care and Government
Pornography
State Sovereignty
Tariffs and Trade
Taxes
Terrorism and Personal Liberty
Wage and Price Control

These are areas of the platform where I disagree more than I agree:

Defense
Election Reform
Foreign Policy
Immigration
Money and Banking
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You don't need to agree with all that appears in the party platform. I don't agree with all of the Constitution Party platform. I don't think I ever agreed with all that was in the Republican Party platform. I certainly never agreed with much of the Democratic Party platform.

Once the Constitution Party presidential candidate is selected, it would be a good time to decide whether to support the candidate. I will be selective on an individual candidate basis in each race (local, state, and federal) in determining to whom I will give my vote in November.

The Constitution Party gives us an alternative to the two party system.
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You don't need to agree with all that appears in the party platform. I don't agree with all of the Constitution Party platform. I don't think I ever agreed with all that was in the Republican Party platform. I certainly never agreed with much of the Democratic Party platform.

Once the Constitution Party presidential candidate is selected, it would be a good time to decide whether to support the candidate. I will be selective on an individual candidate basis in each race (local, state, and federal) in determining to whom I will give my vote in November.

The Constitution Party gives us an alternative to the two party system.
I agree. It gives us a fundamentalist Christian alternative.
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I agree. It gives us a fundamentalist Christian alternative.
I could accept that. Maybe that is why it appeals to me. How about Ralph Nader? Do the greenies like him this year?
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I could accept that. Maybe that is why it appeals to me. How about Ralph Nader? Do the greenies like him this year?
I know you could. That is why it appeals to you. That's why it scares us, reasonable people that don't need a make believe book to go through life...
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It's all good except for the religious BS.

IMO, if someone wants to live in a Theocracy, they should move to Saudi Arabia.
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It's all good except for the religious BS.

IMO, if someone wants to live in a Theocracy, they should move to Saudi Arabia.
Any takers? scotty?
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I just made my first contribution to the Constitution Party.

I have long talked about the need for a third party. Now I am putting my money where my mouth is. Though I know little about this new party, what I have seen appears to represent the best of American ideals. These ideals are not found in the presidential candidates in either the Republican or Democrat parties in 2008.

The alternative vote is for the Constitution Party.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! !!!!
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after reading all the post i have come to a very disturbing image in my head.... the president, who ever that might be, adressing the nation with a bible in one hand and satan on his other shoulder!! GIVE ME EVERYTHING!!!

“Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
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I just made my first contribution to the Constitution Party.

I have long talked about the need for a third party. Now I am putting my money where my mouth is. Though I know little about this new party, what I have seen appears to represent the best of American ideals. These ideals are not found in the presidential candidates in either the Republican or Democrat parties in 2008.

The alternative vote is for the Constitution Party.
American ideals? What exactly are those? It's the same BS as when politicians use term "American people".

We are so divided and diverse that it is impossible to define American ideals!!!

Stop your Christian indoctrination
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After Irreconcilable Differences Lead To Split With GOP, Alan Keyes Invited To Party

Lancaster, PA- Responding to news that former Reagan administration official Alan Keyes has officially left the Republican Party, (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...16-keyes_N.htm) Constitution Party National Committee Chairman Jim Clymer applauded the move and extended Keyes an invitation to become part of the fastest-growing third party- the Constitution Party.

“You can almost hear a nationwide standing ovation. Ambassador Keyes joins millions of Americans abandoning the party that long ago abandoned them. Keyes had the courage to say what a lot of folks have been thinking for years- that the Republican Party’s leadership is way out of touch with its base”, Clymer added, saying: “ We encourage Dr. Keyes and his supporters to discover there’s a perfect fit for them. We no longer have to endure elected officials who defy the will of the people. There is an option in the Constitution Party”.

Former United Nations Ambassador Alan Keyes announced his break with the Republican Party at a speech in Hazleton, Pa, a city known for Mayor Lou Barletta’s aggressive efforts to stop illegal immigration.
Keyes said the two political parties now controlling our government are “a sham” and encouraged his audience to demand a return to the way the founding fathers meant it to be when they wrote the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Keyes said the “Republican Party has come to a dark and confused place.” ““Dark and confused” are terms that apply to the Republican Party’s handling of just about every issue facing America today”, Clymer noted, agreeing with Keyes. “From appalling complicity in the illegal invasion, to historic trade deficits, assaults on civil liberties and out of control spending, the Republicans have sold out their base time and again. Alan Keyes’s break with the GOP is a real shot in the arm for Americans who’ve come to the conclusion the Republicans can no longer be considered the party of conservatives”, Clymer added.

The Constitution Party, the largest and fastest-growing third party based on voter registration (Ballot Access News) will choose a presidential candidate at its national convention, April 23- 26th in Kansas City, Missouri.(http://constitutionparty.com/view_events.php). Dr. Keyes is scheduled to address the gathering of delegates from all 50 states. Alan Keyes will be encouraged to offer delegates his plan for returning America to its constitutional foundation.
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Chuck Baldwin is Constitution Party Nominee for President
April 26th, 2008

The rollcall is finished at the Constitution Party national convention, and the results are a first ballot victory for Chuck Baldwin of Florida, for president. Baldwin was the party’s vice-presidential candidate in 2004. Thanks to the Alan Keyes web site www.alankeyes.com for broadcasting a live showing of the rollcall, and also thanks to ThirdPartyWatch. The final vote was: Baldwin 383.8; Keyes 125.7; Max Riekse 4.5; Daniel Imperato 1; Susan Duzey 1. The Keyes total was buoyed by strong support from California, and Keyes also won the most votes from Alaska, Maryland, Missouri, and Oklahoma.

Before the vote was taken, a procedural vote settled that Ron Paul, who had not sought the party’s nomination, was not a valid choice at the convention roll-call.
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Who woulda thunk the Republican Party would ever NOT be religious enough. Wow!
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I just made my first contribution to the Constitution Party.

I have long talked about the need for a third party. Now I am putting my money where my mouth is....
Scott, I am sorry to see you have been seduced by the false promise of a third party. It is obviously your money and you are free to do whatever you want with it but contributing money to a third party is a waste. The US system is especially hard on third parties and historically they have never amounted to anything. The only way to make an impact in national politics is to work within one of the two major parties. The only thing third party candidacies do is skew the election toward the less desirable (from the 3rd party voters perspective) candidate.
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A man has a right to choose his party no matter how bizarre its platform is…and this particular one is medieval.
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Scott, I am sorry to see you have been seduced by the false promise of a third party. It is obviously your money and you are free to do whatever you want with it but contributing money to a third party is a waste. The US system is especially hard on third parties and historically they have never amounted to anything. The only way to make an impact in national politics is to work within one of the two major parties. The only thing third party candidacies do is skew the election toward the less desirable (from the 3rd party voters perspective) candidate.
I don't think there is any seduction involved here. I don't know that much about Chuck Baldwin, though what little I do know of him, I do like. In November, I'll vote for the candidate on the ballot who is best able to represent my point of view if he/she were to become president. Of those who may appear on the ballot, I know that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both far from me. John McCain would require a lot of compromise in my views. Chuck Baldwin may be the guy. Nader is never for me.
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I don't think there is any seduction involved here. I don't know that much about Chuck Baldwin, though what little I do know of him, I do like. In November, I'll vote for the candidate on the ballot who is best able to represent my point of view if he/she were to become president. Of those who may appear on the ballot, I know that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both far from me. John McCain would require a lot of compromise in my views. Chuck Baldwin may be the guy. Nader is never for me.
Unfortunately, politics is all about compromise, especially at the presidential level. The reality is that only one of the major party presidential candidates will win the election. Given this reality and the winner take all nature of most state electoral rules, voting for a third party candidate has the effect of voting for the major party candidate you agree with the least.
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