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      02-26-2008, 07:51 PM   #23
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pretty sad when you need to have a performance pack to have all the Hi-po stuff. Anyone remember how much the C55 ran compaired to the E46?
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      02-26-2008, 08:14 PM   #24
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That price is pretty damn competitive.
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let's not forget that the m3 offers a 4 year no hassles warranty & the merc doesn't
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Didn't early reviews have both the M3 and C65 at ~$65K. After BMW came in much lower, they almost had to follow.
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Wow! From everything I read the C63 was supposed to start at 63,000. At 54 its a great alternative. But from all the reviews its supposed to be a real handful to drive. Not really the athlete the M3 is. But thats for another debate. Hmmm E92 for him, C63 for her. Hmmmm.
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Hmmm E92 for him, C63 for her. Hmmmm.

you going to let her have the faster ride?
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pretty sad when you need to have a performance pack to have all the Hi-po stuff. Anyone remember how much the C55 ran compaired to the E46?
The C55 AMG had a base price of $54,620, so the C63 AMG is priced lower than the C55 AMG in terms of base price of course.
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Well at least half of the M3 customers wouldn't consider it, the manual gearbox half that is.

On a lighter note, when are you guys getting a smilie which works the paddles.
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      02-27-2008, 11:04 AM   #32
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Well at least half of the M3 customers wouldn't consider it, the manual gearbox half that is.
Seriously, a big downside IMO.

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Seriously, a big downside IMO.

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Sorry South, I thought from all of my posts and opinions that I was the Sergent Major of this club.

Does that make T-Bone the dark lord to us lot over here.
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Lifted from another forum:

from mbworld post:

Destination is $825.

Here is a fully optioned C63 using existing C Class prices for the options/packages and a guess at the gas guzzler tax:

2008 C63 AMG (Base) $53,800
Destination $825
(775) Metallic Paint $710
(P02) P2 Package $1,350
(320) Multimedia Package $2,950
(057) iPod Integration Kit $375
(359) TeleAid $650
Gas Guzzler $1,300
Total $61,960
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The C55 AMG had a base price of $54,620, so the C63 AMG is priced lower than the C55 AMG in terms of base price of course.
I guess they could hit that price mark since they didn't have to develop a new engine. Just used one that had been used in every other AMG ride.
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I guess they could hit that price mark since they didn't have to develop a new engine. Just used one that had been used in every other AMG ride.
Agreed, but what an engine.
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Does that make T-Bone the dark lord to us lot over here.
LOL, L even wants him to become a member...


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      02-27-2008, 01:06 PM   #38
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I guess they could hit that price mark since they didn't have to develop a new engine. Just used one that had been used in every other AMG ride.
You are absolutely right on that one- one engine fits all.
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      02-27-2008, 01:22 PM   #39
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You are absolutely right on that one- one engine fits all.
Ahem, hypocrisy?

Well, the engine is a detuned version of the engine used in the E63 AMG, among others.

But let's be reasonable, the M5 and the M6 share the same engine. And the M coupe has the E46 engine, correct? 328 and 528, 335 and 535. Both companies do it to an extent.

And Mercedes offers many AMG models, not just 4 like BMW, so don't you think it would be a bit impractical to develop completely new engines for all of these high-performance vehicles, especially after BMW doesn't do this either?
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Who cares about this car the M3 ties or bests its souped up big brother - the Black Series.

More interesting news, straight from the news stand and the latest edition of SportAuto magazine (recent lay over in Frankfurt). The "mighty" AMG CLK 63 Black Series, with a 87 hp and 170 ft lb torque advantage merely ties the M3 at the Nurburgring, 8:05 Thumbs up BMW, thumbs down Mercedes. Despite the (boy) racer and DTM appearance the M3 is still the better car on the track. To be fair the Black did slightly best the M3 at Hockenheim, 1:13.8 to 1:14.3. Not reading German, I am still fairly sure the B.S. topped the M3s 155 mph limited top speed on the fastest part of the course. Hence with the electronic limiter removed the M3 is faster at the Ring. M-DCT will only further the margin of victory. Last note: tires were "equivalent" in the test with PSC+ on the M3 during its run vs. Pirelli P Zero Corsa on the B.S. Other performance metrics such as braking, slalom, lateral gs and times for other courses were tied or split between the two cars. Again a big hats off to BMW.
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If I wanted to buy a purely dedicated track car, I wouldn't buy an M3, or a C63.
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Who cares about this car the M3 ties or bests its souped up big brother - the Black Series.

More interesting news, straight from the news stand and the latest edition of SportAuto magazine (recent lay over in Frankfurt). The "mighty" AMG CLK 63 Black Series, with a 87 hp and 170 ft lb torque advantage merely ties the M3 at the Nurburgring, 8:05 Thumbs up BMW, thumbs down Mercedes. Despite the (boy) racer and DTM appearance the M3 is still the better car on the track. To be fair the Black did slightly best the M3 at Hockenheim, 1:13.8 to 1:14.3. Not reading German, I am still fairly sure the B.S. topped the M3s 155 mph limited top speed on the fastest part of the course. Hence with the electronic limiter removed the M3 is faster at the Ring. M-DCT will only further the margin of victory. Last note: tires were "equivalent" in the test with PSC+ on the M3 during its run vs. Pirelli P Zero Corsa on the B.S. Other performance metrics such as braking, slalom, lateral gs and times for other courses were tied or split between the two cars. Again a big hats off to BMW.

Good to hear. Link please.
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Who cares about this car the M3 ties or bests its souped up big brother - the Black Series.

More interesting news, straight from the news stand and the latest edition of SportAuto magazine (recent lay over in Frankfurt). The "mighty" AMG CLK 63 Black Series, with a 87 hp and 170 ft lb torque advantage merely ties the M3 at the Nurburgring, 8:05 Thumbs up BMW, thumbs down Mercedes. Despite the (boy) racer and DTM appearance the M3 is still the better car on the track. To be fair the Black did slightly best the M3 at Hockenheim, 1:13.8 to 1:14.3. Not reading German, I am still fairly sure the B.S. topped the M3s 155 mph limited top speed on the fastest part of the course. Hence with the electronic limiter removed the M3 is faster at the Ring. M-DCT will only further the margin of victory. Last note: tires were "equivalent" in the test with PSC+ on the M3 during its run vs. Pirelli P Zero Corsa on the B.S. Other performance metrics such as braking, slalom, lateral gs and times for other courses were tied or split between the two cars. Again a big hats off to BMW.
That's like comparing the M3 to the M6 and the M6 time is 8:07 and 8:09. The M6 and CLK 63 B.S. is really the better comparison, similar weight and power. Both are close to 4000lbs(M6 is 3909 and CLK63 B.S. is 3880) with 500hp . Regardless, that's still impressive for the M3 to match the B.S. and beat the M6.

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